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In recession, pets go homeless in droves

Each day at five, staff members of the Humane Society of Elkhart County close the animal shelter and hold a meeting. And each day, like clockwork, they begin hearing a "thump, thump, thump" from outside.

That is the sound of pets being abandoned by owners who either do not want them or cannot care for them anymore.

Among the recent arrivals left in "drop boxes" -- kennels that are accessible through doors on the outside of the facility -- are Sweet Pea, a Chihuahua being nursed back to health from near starvation, a cocker spaniel named Cookie and a "family" of three pets left together -- a dog, a cat and rat.

These animals add to the usual traffic of strays, rabid raccoons and animals rescued from abuse. When the drop boxes are full, the Humane Society finds pets tied up at the door, or -- as was the case with a domesticated ferret -- running around in the parking lot. Recently a whole litter of kittens was left in the Humane Society dumpster.

With as many as 600 or 700 animals arriving each month -- sometimes 30 animals in a single day -- the facility, which has space for only 266, is in crisis mode.

'Unsavory position'
The numbers are "staggering" and resources are stretched, said Ann Reel, the Humane Society of Elkhart County's executive director.

"Since the economy has been like this, even rescuers have been down," she said, referring to nonprofits that provide temporary homes until animals can be adopted. "(Now) we are in the unsavory position of having to euthanize because we just can't turn animals around fast enough."

In one month alone, the shelter had to euthanize 600 animals, she said.

The Humane Society staff believes the poor economy is behind the high rate of abandonment -- forcing people to give up pets when they run out of money to feed them or lose their homes and move into apartments or in with relatives. It's impossible to know for sure because many people drop off their pets anonymously in the drop boxes and don't fill out the forms that would help the Humane Society staff understand the animal's health background and breeding. Since October 2008, the shelter has handled 5,783 animals, 42 percent of which were abandoned anonymously.

"For the most part, people just cram the animal in the door, get in their car and speed away as fast as possible," said Reel. "Occasionally we have someone walk through the front door and say 'we've been laid off my job, we are moving into an apartment, we can't find anyone to take them,' and do it responsibly."

Looming cuts?
The number of cats dropped off is especially high, perhaps because people have been reluctant to spend money to spay or neuter their cats under current economic conditions.

The Humane Society is struggling to meet the increased demand. Its budget for free spaying and neutering of cats was shot by April. The pet assistance program, which provides free pet food to help owners who are struggling financially, had 444 requests this year, about two-thirds of them first-time requests. This program is important because it keeps pets with their owners, avoiding unnecessary abandonment.

About half of the Humane Society's $700,000 annual budget is provided by the county and cities, under a contract for animal control. But the organization is anticipating cuts in the next round of government budgets and, like many nonprofits, is casting about for new fundraising ideas, and trying to expand its donor base.

Meanwhile, Reel brought in a fatigue specialist to work with the staff of 16.

"We are overwhelmed in trying to decide who stays and who will have to be eliminated," she said, referring to animals that have to be euthanized. "It takes a toll on our staff. It is not a pleasant job."

The staff also grapple with a year caring for and cleaning up after all these creatures many which are in terrible condition by the time they are dropped off, with such severe maladies as ringworm, fleas and mange. That requires careful handling, and a lot of bleach to prevent the spread of disease.

When people ask Reel, "How can I help?"she tells them to "adopt, donate or send bleach."

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{"commentId":10866645,"authorDomain":"tgrif"}

Heartbreaking. I could never leave my pets. I just don't know how anyone could, even in the toughest times just dump their animals. What a tragedy......

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Reply#1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:31 AM EST
{"commentId":10867711,"authorDomain":"scarabsoftware"}

If it's my children and family getting fed or pet food, it's a no brainer. The pet goes bye-bye. Any parent putting their pet before their family has no business being a parent.

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  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:23 AM EST
{"commentId":10867850,"authorDomain":"dinawarriorprncss"}

you act like $15 bag of pet food is going to prevent you from feeding your family. if that is "too much" money to spend, you should have thought about that before committing to having a family pet.

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  • 25 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:30 AM EST
{"commentId":10867917,"authorDomain":"americanassociationalmanac"}

The sound of that makes me wonder about who should be judging parents. Seems a person who would abandon an animal has no business being a parent. The reason is simple. If you'd abandon your beloved pet, you'd abandon your kids. It comes down to how you prioritize. If you're willing to sacrifice a helpless creature, you'd do the same thing to a helpless child, maybe not right away, but it says something about the parent who would abandon their pet.

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  • 18 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:33 AM EST
{"commentId":10868492,"authorDomain":"rsmith-3"}

It breaks my heart to hear about the poor animals being euthanized due to the economy. I could never walk away from my animals, I made a promise to take care of them, and I will do whatever I have to to keep that promise. If I could open my home to save more I would.

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  • 12 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:57 AM EST
{"commentId":10868509,"authorDomain":"just-me-18"}

A pet is not a toy you can pick up when its something you want, and then put away when you don't. I would go hungary before my cats. Any person who could just abandon a pet should not be allowed near pets or be allowed to have kids, I mean what happens when the kids get to expensive? I think that more programs need to be about helping people keep their pets instead of places to dump their pets. My cats are more important to me than 99.9999% of the people on this planet! ...and they are cleaner, nicer, more understanding. I think we need more good pets and less bad people!

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  • 21 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:58 AM EST
{"commentId":10869062,"authorDomain":"scarabsoftware"}
it says something about the parent who would abandon their pet.

Yes, it says those parents value human life above an animal's life. I realize most animal nuts have that reversed but you just can't explain those people's faulty, screwed up priorities.

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  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:21 PM EST
{"commentId":10869165,"authorDomain":"DZein"}

scarab333 - If this is your mindset - you have no business having children or a family. shame on you for such a selfish self-serving comment... Glad I never married someone like you.

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  • 10 votes
#1.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM EST
{"commentId":10869246,"authorDomain":"sugarlaw1"}

Nice lessons you are teaching your children, scarab, about the disposability of living, breathing, feeling, helpless creatures. I am not saying put animals ahead of humans, but have some compassion and learn to teach compassion, too.

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  • 14 votes
#1.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM EST
{"commentId":10869273,"authorDomain":"scarabsoftware"}

ROTFLMAO!!! Your irrational posts and illogical attitudes just prove my point.

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  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM EST
{"commentId":10869396,"authorDomain":"academiaatlanta"}

Scarab:

What does ROTFLMAO mean???

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    #1.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:36 PM EST
    {"commentId":10869412,"authorDomain":"pay784"}

    Sometimes I wonder why people even take the time to speak on these websites, when stupid people have nothing better to do than attack the person speaking, as if they know the situation better than the person who is living it.....

    What I find in my area are people who have lived in certain housing situations in the past, screwed up and not cleaned up after a pet, and the landlord refuses to allow any pets from that point forward, not matter what. Now, comes the economy and we have to look at so many people who cannot afford to hold on to their houses. They MUST abandon their pets or live outside with their wife and children. Now what about those people, since the current consensus has the right to judge everyone?

    I see the effects on the environment of the pets owners took mercy on. They were abandoned on the streets and turned feral. They have bitten children and animal control personell in their efforts to find food or escape and in small instances, given bad infections or put worker's in the hospital. Sometimes they run in packs and hunt, just like a wild animal are supposed to do. Never judge another person until you've walked miles in their shoes. Would it be better to abandone them to getting killed by wild animals or starve to death because they weren't brought up to hunt?

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    #1.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:36 PM EST
    {"commentId":10869654,"authorDomain":"PYRMAN"}

    Hey scarab333- go get a nice lobectomy, I'll bet you liked to

    torture small animals when you were a kid. You are the one

    who is irrational you turd.

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    • 8 votes
    #1.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:46 PM EST
    {"commentId":10869699,"authorDomain":"d-gradert"}

    realist 995615

    ROTFLMAO means Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A$$ Off.

    I'm not commenting, simply providing the definition. Personally when our pet died of old age we did not get another simply due to the economics. Have a nice day.

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      #1.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM EST
      {"commentId":10869996,"authorDomain":"academiaatlanta"}

      Darrel:

      Thanks for the info. And as for your pet situation, you sound like a responsible person to me. Sorry to hear about your pet's death.

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        #1.14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM EST
        {"commentId":10870576,"authorDomain":"peck-susan"}

        Sorry True American, but your response is the typical whiney woe-is-me-I-don't-have-any-control-over-life loser response so common in this country, particularly among the less educated, lower socioeconomic strata. Guess what - there is housing out there that allows pets, it just might take a little longer to find or be a little less convenient, but the people who dump their pets are just too damn lazy to look for it. As for the expense of pet food, there are organizations all over the place that are collecting donations of pet food to give out to people in need, so there's no excuse there, either. And there are always ways to make extra money if you're industrious and creative - which, guess what, most people are not. If you're committed to your pet (or your family, or to being employed and successful), you'll find a way. So I have zero sympathy for losers who dump their animals. Hope they wind up out on the streets right next to them. And before you say I haven't walked in their shoes, think again - when the family business was going under and I barely had enough money for food, I took in laundry, then worked several part time jobs and put myself through college and got a graduate degree - and now live quite comfortably. So take your whining and excuses and stick them in the trash where they belong. If people are losers, it's because they choose to be, and dumping animals shows a complete lack of morality and character.

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        • 4 votes
        #1.15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM EST
        {"commentId":10871774,"authorDomain":"dupuis212"}

        hey scarab , this is the reason why people like you should not get any pets !! if you think pets have no feelings think again .. i volunter for animals shelters and ive seen dogs being thrown away like trash by their families after spending many years with them... one of the dog refuse to eat and was so depressed , we are to take him to the vet... it was heartbreaking.. but for people like you a pet is just a toy for your kids i bet ..

        makes me sick !!!

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        • 6 votes
        #1.16 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:15 PM EST
        {"commentId":10872005,"authorDomain":"pay784"}

        Wow Gadfly, Thanks for proving several of my points!

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        • 1 vote
        #1.17 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:25 PM EST
        {"commentId":10872180,"authorDomain":"peck-susan"}

        Like I said True American, I actually know what I'm talking about - been there, done that, have the shirt to prove it, which basically negates your opening line. But I think you illustrate my post beautifully. Why take responsibility for your life and those dependent on you when you can whine and make excuses and surround yourself with people in the same sinking boat?

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        • 3 votes
        #1.18 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:32 PM EST
        {"commentId":10874787,"authorDomain":"entertainmentparalegal"}

        dinawarriorprincess

        Even in Los Angeles, $15 can buy a lot of food for a family. I LOVE the 99cent store here.

        I bring home salad fixings for a week on $10.

        $15 can buy a lot of wholesome food to feed a family.

        Nonetheless, I urge you to become a foster pet parent. My friend has a few foster dogs, and to let you know, she is not rich either.

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        • 2 votes
        #1.19 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:25 PM EST
        {"commentId":10875171,"authorDomain":"rsmith-3"}
        I realize most animal nuts have that reversed but you just can't explain those people's faulty, screwed up priorities.

        no-doubt Scarab is one of those guys who think the 5 terrorist bombers are "Victims" too. Talk about screwed up priorities.

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          #1.20 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:41 PM EST
          {"commentId":10875219,"authorDomain":"bpinckney"}

          this is very sad, but I am sure it is not easy for people to come to that decision. Perhaps that is why so many of them race away. It breaks their heart and they have to do it fast.

          I am not going to judge anyone else for the decisions they make in a difficult time. I just feel very very bad for the poor pets.

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            #1.21 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST
            {"commentId":10876156,"authorDomain":"tobovin"}

            If you truly love your pet it becomes a member of your family. Too many people take them to be objects. Get a pet if you truly want to commit.

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            • 2 votes
            #1.22 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:19 PM EST
            {"commentId":10878155,"authorDomain":"rstravis1"}

            My god, Scarab: no one would argue with you if it's clearly a choice between feeding your family or a pet....IF it truly becomes that desparate. But what is terribly inhumane is for people to DUMP animals rather than take them to the Humane Society in their city where they can either be cared for or humanely euthanized. My opinion....and it's shared by researchers in human behavior....the human being that will mistreat and neglect an animal will do it to a human being who is helpless as well. There are humane ways of dealing with these issues. FIRST AND FOREMOST: GET YOUR PETS SPAYED OR NEUTERED. I know our animal shelter gets that done for people who have limited incomes at almost no cost at all. It's not that hard!

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              #1.23 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:50 PM EST
              {"commentId":10878252,"authorDomain":"kreed-1488985"}

              I love animals but just by chance I fall upon hard times and have to make that decision to give away my pet. That pet would be gone!!! That is why I have no pets and dont plan on getting any. It is hard enough caring for my family as it is and if I am at the gas pump making life decisions then I know I dont need that responsibility.

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              • 1 vote
              #1.24 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:55 PM EST
              {"commentId":10878414,"authorDomain":"brentjohnson"}

              Maybe all of the new homeless should just start eating them...

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              • 1 vote
              #1.25 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:04 PM EST
              {"commentId":10879058,"authorDomain":"IMWatching"}

              I have absolutely no respect for anyone who abandons their pet for any reason. If you will abandon your pet you will abandon your children, your husband or wife, your friends. You are selfish and lack a sense of moral responsibility. You should never have taken in a pet in the first place if abandonment is your answer to tough times.

              In my world pet abandonment would be akin to animal abuse and you would be considered a criminal and do jail time.

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              • 2 votes
              #1.26 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:40 PM EST
              {"commentId":10879444,"authorDomain":"joan22"}

              I think it is truly unfortunate that scarab333's parents didn't drop them off to be euthanized years ago...

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              • 2 votes
              #1.27 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:01 PM EST
              {"commentId":10881512,"authorDomain":"whateva-1"}

              Now I have read several of the replies and disagree with some of the posts. Many people think it is OK for one cat (animal) to have a litter. It is so good for my kids to see the birth process (NOT) and yes I had my kids ask me if the pets we inherited could have babies. The answer is NO. The bulk of my pets have been strays...yeah, dump them and leave them. I neuter all of them. I don't think it is all happening because of bad times, I think it is irresponsible adults. I am on my second full bloodied golden retriever dumped out. Guess they were gun shy or not hunting material or.... someone had to pay money for them before the dump...but a good pet, a great family dog. too bad the ones that dumped them didn't advertise to those that don't hunt or whatever made you dump the dog. I like the retrievers, they are really nice dogs.

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              • 2 votes
              #1.28 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:06 PM EST
              {"commentId":10883521,"authorDomain":"paulhardy"}

              I have to say allot of these people are to stupid to own a pet let a lone feed it.!

              What does a bag of dog food cost ? not very much.!

              I feed squirrel, chipmunk, rabbit, deer all undomesticated doesn't cost anything but growing plants they like or saving scraps!

              People have learnt to hate dogs and cats and we ended up with euthanizing institutions, but they hate all other animals to

              There are dogs and cats in the wild that can survive, nothing wrong with that..!

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              • 2 votes
              #1.29 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:32 AM EST
              {"commentId":10896445,"authorDomain":"pchargrove-msn-com"}

              Just straight B.S. that families can't afford to feed their pets because they're whining about the economy if you have a kid are you gonna ditch him because of the economy are you gonna stop getting cable snd get off your lazy whiney a** and don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about I've got a pair of train tracks running through my front yard and I'm the whitest dude you'll see in my part of D.C. half white. Just lazy is all that's about nobody in my neighborhoods been giving up their dogs even if they're broke and don't have a job you manage just like if you have a kid what are you going to do ditch him at a shelter.

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                #1.30 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:26 PM EST
                {"commentId":10896579,"authorDomain":"pchargrove-msn-com"}

                Maybe where you live you can release them into the wild what are you going to do with stray animals that don't have anyone to adopt them in a city. Yeah that's be real smart dumba** groups stray dogs running around with kids outside in the middle of D.C. next time try and think before you comment.

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                  #1.31 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:35 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10896834,"authorDomain":"pchargrove-msn-com"}

                  Scarab your dumba** doesn't have any right using a computer so who'd you get to type up those shortbus a** riding, helmet wearing, comments of yours because I know nobody as dumb as your a** could have graduated grade school.

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                  • 1 vote
                  #1.32 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:49 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10897126,"authorDomain":"pchargrove-msn-com"}

                  True american you're truely a whiney a** little b**** talking about walking a mile in their shoes. I haven't walked a mile in some dad's shoes who ditched his kid because he was too damned lazy to find a way and his excuse is oh you the economys real bad so I left my 10 year old at school and drove off. I don't own those shoes because I'm going to get off my a** and do what I need to do to feed that dog. So just keep blaming everything on s*** and sit there and whine instead of doing what people need to be doing to feed their family including the pet. I'm sure you'd just find any excuse to lay the blame on anything or anyone other than the person at fault oh poor me I had nothing to do with it it's all someone else's fault is all I hear all day from people like you.

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                  • 1 vote
                  #1.33 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:06 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10925613,"authorDomain":"scarabsoftware"}

                  It's always gratifying when I get to revist a vine after several days and see that the responding posters have proven just how correct I am. You animal wackos are just too funny for words! You actually think your arguments that animals should be given higher priority than humans are logical?! Some actually sound insane but I expected to hear that from the really militant sections of you. Please get some perspective and help before it's too late. Bye for now.

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                    #1.34 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:57 AM EST
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                    {"commentId":10867321,"authorDomain":"zinoh"}

                    Spay, neuter, and adopt rather than buying puppies from pet stores!

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                    • 17 votes
                    Reply#2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST
                    {"commentId":10869304,"authorDomain":"petus12"}

                    THIS is the ONLY solution. Low cost spay/neuter programs, closing down puppy mills and the stores they sell too, and pushing states for humane domestic animal laws. The shelters are crowded with the strays, the ferals, the dumped mill dogs that didn't sell, the abused, and now, the poor dogs and cats (and rats)....if the shelters weren't full of the strays and mill dogs, they could handle the ones who were turned in or the occasional stray. We are a 'throw away' society, everything has become disposable, even our pets; and we're teaching our kids some horrible lessons. There are some new programs to help families keep their pets during times of economic stress. More of those programs should be encouraged. And states should be encouraged to help maintain the shelters...bottom line, spay and neuter and don't buy while shelter dogs/cats die.

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                    • 8 votes
                    #2.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:32 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10869453,"authorDomain":"meow2u3"}

                    It doesn't go far enough to control the homeless pet population to stop at spaying, neutering, and adopting. Congress needs to act to pass a Pet Parents' Bill of Rights aiming at ending housing discrimination against otherwise responsible pet owners who happen to rent instead of buy the roof over their heads.

                    Banning pets, or imposing upfront, lump-sum pet fees or extra "pet rent" to discourage pets in apartments are one of the main reasons for the overcrowding in shelters. Stop the discrimination--and have you pet spayed or neutered--and you'll see a big drop in homeless pets.

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                    • 4 votes
                    #2.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:39 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10873358,"authorDomain":"pleasespay"}

                    www.spayusa.org www.bestfriends.org alleycatallies.org

                    SPAY & NEUTER PLEASE!

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                    • 2 votes
                    #2.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:26 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10874058,"authorDomain":"rrk55"}

                    We have had 6 cats over the years. Only 1 was purchased at a pet store. We do not let them outside to roam, all are spayed-nuetered and well cared for. Our daughter recently took in 2 in October and the one is pregnant. The one that is pregnant was left behind by a family that moved out of the apartment complex she lives in. Hopefully we will find homes for the kittens when the time comes, our home will be one for sure. yes please have your pets fixed, especially if they are outside pets.

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                    • 2 votes
                    #2.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:55 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":10867372,"authorDomain":"jaims27"}

                    I think what is going on is truly awful! I am a firm believer that people that hurt animals should get the same punishment as those who hurt people. Can you imagine if people started leaving their kids at shelters because they were too expensive? These people adopted pets ... they should be responsible for them!

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                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:09 AM EST
                    {"commentId":10867854,"authorDomain":"AnnOsborn"}

                    I absolutely agree. With rare exceptions, people should take care of their animals as they do their children. Pets are your responsibility from day one. A truly responsible person would have them spayed and/or neutered as soon as they arrive at your door. Cat and dog food do not cost that much, and they can eat table scraps as necessary. Don't have pets, or children, that you can't afford.

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                    • 5 votes
                    #3.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:30 AM EST
                    {"commentId":10869601,"authorDomain":"NorthernRed"}

                    Well, you get what you want. The penalties for harming animals IS worse than if you harm a child. Wake up!

                    ALSO - You don't adopt a pet. You BUY the animal from the shelter... "Adoption fee"!?! What? Huh? Money in the transaction indicates a SALE. There are NO FREE PET ADOPTIONS! I'd adopt more cats if they weren't declawed and if they were FREEE! Cats serve a purpose, dogs are just useless - and that's the opinion you'll find in people who grew up less important to their parents than the stupid mangey dog that roamed up on the doorstep one day and was lucky enough to stay. I lived that BS, would never in a million years feel any animal's life is worth more than that of my kids - or any other person alive today (even criminals)... Just my opinion, but when your parent's tell the stupid mutt they love the animal but never say it to their kids, that's a problem... Too many people are like that - don't have to look far to find 'em either...

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                    • 2 votes
                    #3.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:44 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10869896,"authorDomain":"PYRMAN"}
                    Tom C.-1205675Deleted
                    {"commentId":10870298,"authorDomain":"academiaatlanta"}

                    NorthernRed:

                    Sounds like you have some issues you need to deal with.

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                    • 4 votes
                    #3.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10870473,"authorDomain":"DZein"}

                    Tom C.-1205675 - Well said.... NorthernRed; You would have been an excellent recruit in Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany...

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                    • 1 vote
                    #3.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:17 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10870533,"authorDomain":"moonz"}

                    I totally agree when you take in a pet you are reposibile for that animal.My children also were raised with that belief and they are very caring of all creatures.If you would do that to a animalyou will eventually do that to your childre. Humans are supposed to be caretakers of earth and animals.

                    {"commentId":10870533,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"moonz"}
                      #3.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10870788,"authorDomain":"DZein"}

                      NorthernRed.... As an additional note, I've had four pedigree dogs and my last one (a "mixed breed") I adopted from an animal shelter - as far as the "Adoption Fee"... for $100, the dog was spayed, all shots, micro-chipped and included a one year medical policy. At my regular Vet's office, from past experience, the price tag would have been north of $500. The paltry "Adoption Fee" is made possible to the free donation by venterians who are doing their best to keep the pet safe and affordable to those could not afford one otherwise - Wise up and check your facts....

                      {"commentId":10870788,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"DZein"}
                      • 1 vote
                      #3.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10871222,"authorDomain":"peck-susan"}

                      Northern Red - by your logic, that would mean people who adopt children are also just buying them, since there are fees there also. I think you summed it up best when you said your views reflect those of someone who grew up in a house where the parents 'cared' more about the animals than the children. In truth, your parents were incapable of loving or caring for anyone or anything, and had some serious mental and emotional problems. What you describe is abuse, plain and simple. I hope you look for some help yourself to deal with your issues so that you do not perpetuate the cycle by passing that treatment and those attitudes on to the next generation. The reality is that emotionally healthy adults do not see caring for animals and caring for animals as a binary choice - they are capable of taking care of them both. And nowhere in this country are the penalties for harming an animal worse than for harming a child.

                      {"commentId":10871222,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"peck-susan"}
                      • 2 votes
                      #3.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:51 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10872748,"authorDomain":"doublejs46"}

                      beleive it or not people have actually left their kids!

                      {"commentId":10872748,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"doublejs46"}
                        #3.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:56 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10880248,"authorDomain":"dupuis212"}

                        northernred ... serious problems !! i volunteer at the animal shelters .animals are not very protected . i see many of them in the shelter , broken jaws , knife wounds , burned , and just like my puppy blind .. someone did it to him ... people get a slap on the wrist , maybe a fine .. but never serious jail time . if it was for me this type of people would get serious jail time and counseling. so , just shut up and get your fact straight next time !!!!!

                        {"commentId":10880248,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"dupuis212"}
                        • 2 votes
                        #3.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:49 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10887149,"authorDomain":"entertainmentparalegal"}

                        NorthernRed

                        I feel sorry for your parents that they thought more highly of the dog than their children.

                        I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE THAT and they disgust me - as much as several people on this board do because they make it out like animals are more important than people.

                        It would be TERRIBLE to leave any animal on the side of the road instead of bringing it to the Humane Society or another loving home. HOWEVER an animal is an animal.

                        If there is ever a choice between feeding a person and feeding an animal, it is quite simple to me. FEED PEOPLE.

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                          #3.11 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:37 AM EST
                          Reply
                          {"commentId":10867446,"authorDomain":"ZackyLeeBondoJr"}

                          Yeah, this is pretty sad. We took in a boxer from a lady my wife works with, and we already have a large Cane Corso, but I didn't want the animal to get put down. We have gone a few days eating Campbell's soup, and a sandwich for dinner so we could afford food for the Dogs ourselves.

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                          • 9 votes
                          Reply#4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:12 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10867988,"authorDomain":"amythestaura"}

                          Goddess bless you, I just took in a cat that someone dropped off in our neighborhood. I wish there were more people willing to be as giving and unselfish as you.

                          {"commentId":10867988,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"amythestaura"}
                          • 5 votes
                          #4.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:36 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10868130,"authorDomain":"subo"}

                          So glad you did this for the boxer and it's former owner. You must be good people and hey, chicken and noodles are pretty good, right? Thanks for taking this on. There should be more people like you.

                          {"commentId":10868130,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"subo"}
                          • 4 votes
                          #4.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:42 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10868220,"authorDomain":"nancyjsawyer"}

                          I am so glad to hear there are truly good people out there willing to make sacrifices! I would have 50 dogs if I had the room for them!

                          {"commentId":10868220,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"nancyjsawyer"}
                          • 3 votes
                          #4.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:46 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10868871,"authorDomain":"morganrose"}

                          I am currently fostering 3 dogs because of the economy. I own 3 dogs myself and yes times do get tight but guess who in my family goes without-it's not the dogs and it's not my 2 children either. My husband and I happily sacrifice so they all can eat!

                          {"commentId":10868871,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"morganrose"}
                          • 6 votes
                          #4.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:14 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10869035,"authorDomain":"scoobygurl"}

                          Zacky: That boxer & your cane are blessed to have you. Too bad we can not have more like you & fewer of those who throw & run. It breaks my heart to read about what happens to animals like Jack O Lantern or the ferret in the parking lot. I am in St Louis & not far from me a little dog was dropped at a shelter. When the shelter people arrived & saw it there, they tried to approach it but it ran. It kept running & ended up in traffic & killed. People get these pets without thinking of the bigger picture.

                          {"commentId":10869035,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"scoobygurl"}
                          • 4 votes
                          #4.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:20 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10873101,"authorDomain":"dmsutton"}

                          I've volunteered time at a no-kill facility for almost two years. I adopted a german shepherd from there. I loved that dog. Awesomest dog ever! (He died of renal failure two years ago.) I spent quite a bit of money and time on care for him that last year. I cried like a baby when we had to put him down.

                          We currently have an akita that we have adopted, and are fostering a black lab mix that was going to be euthanized after the sheriff's department picked her up and left her with a vet in a neighboring town. (I drove 160 miles there and back, to get that dog by the way.)

                          I currently have an older mare with a split hoof that I have taken in; she is in my pasture right now. I have taken in three horses as fosters over the years. Two of those weren't trained to saddle when they came, but one left broke to ride, and the other started under saddle. In fact, one of them had enough issues, you couldn't even touch her feet, but she left here a good girl for the farrier.

                          I have taken in many cats, dogs, and (as mentioned) a few horses. More than a few are 'lifers' and still here. I don't get paid for these animals. I don't get 'reimbursed' for feed, vet, farrier, training, time, or the occasional bit of mangled furniture from a dog with issues, or the occasional cracked rib from a horse with issues. Although, the local humane society will take care of vet costs for a dog that am fostering under their program, but I cover food. But, boy we've had to do the p.b and J, and top ramen thing to make sure we could meet that hay/dog food/kitty litter bill sometimes. We get it 'er done though. There is always a way.

                          Now that we have established what a good, kind, big-hearted, wonderful person I am (at least judging by all the warm-fuzzy-back-slappy-feel-good accolades going on above... Hooray for me! I win! *eye roll*), I'm going to rain on everyones parade...

                          I have to say that all of the judgemental b.s. that I see going along with it only reduces whatever help one gives these animals to a nasty, shallow form of self-gratification that has the veneer of compassion but really has nothing to do with it.

                          If it did, then maybe people would have some compassion for the other people that are in the situation where they must make a decision that is better for the animal. It's hard. I've had people on my porch, or on the phone in tears. Not only to they have to let go of what many consider a friend, they have to do so with people almost certainly judging them, and most know it.

                          The finger shaking is at least as sick as the people making an 'irresponsible' choice in getting that pet in the first place. In my opinion, more so. In fact, I feel it actually contributes to more animals suffering in the long run.

                          So enough with the 'Ooh! Me too, me too! I'm a great person too!' crap. If your compassion only goes as far as what is going to make you feel good about yourself, (and at the expense of others no less) you're not that great a person... Not really.

                          And for the record... I'm a B*tch, and I know I'm a B*tch, but at least I know who I am enough that I don't need to construct some elaborate social farce to try to convince myself and everyone around me otherwise, I don't have the heart to kick people while they are down, and I'm not going to pretend that any animal on my place comes before the human beings I'm responsible for, or most human beings for that matter. For me, people come first. Period.

                          {"commentId":10873101,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"dmsutton"}
                            #4.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:13 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10877555,"authorDomain":"reasonable-1488918"}

                            I couldn't agree more with Morgan S.

                            We should all show more compassion; not just to animals, but humans too.

                            To those that equate pets to humans, I can't agree. That doesn't mean that pets ownership shouldn't be taken seriously, and that all other alternatives shouldn't be researched, but an animal is not a human. If someone has to give up a pet because they've lost a job, a house, or are otherwise in an unanticipated situation where the best interests of both the person's family and the pet are that the pet be responsibly turned over, then that is unfortunate but in those circumstances, necessary.

                            Morgan S. said it right, those folks who took on that responsibility and now have to face the fact that they can no longer provide for those pets are already paying a terrible price, and teaching their children that lesson. Life sometimes knocks you to the ground, and you have tough choices to make.

                            That is entirely different than when people adopt on a whim to begin with, or 'rotate' pets once they get bored.

                            Respect animals, respect humans, heh, even respect plant life. But they are not all equal. To say that animals should be treated like humans, is devaluing the essence of humanity, and in my opinion, not simultaneously elevating animal life.

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                            • 1 vote
                            #4.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:20 PM EST
                            Reply
                            {"commentId":10867493,"authorDomain":"kilyamongthorns"}

                            While I'm sorry to hear about animals being abandoned by careless owners, I do believe that Americans overall have a tendency to put pets before human life, and to me, this is a worse crime. Americans feed their cats and dogs while thinking nothing of giving food, warmth, or shelter to a human being who sleeps in a cardboard box out on the street. If an animal becomes mistreated, they call it a crime, but when a woman has her own child vacuumed out of her womb, this is 'reproductive freedom.' I'm disgusted with these misplaced priorities. Why is it cruel to put animals to death when innocent babies are killed by the thousands in the U.S. each and every single day. Come on, people. Let's get our priorities right. We have pity for animals, but none for man. Go figure.

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                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:14 AM EST
                            {"commentId":10867765,"authorDomain":"dinawarriorprncss"}

                            because time and time again, humans have the capacity for cruelty, hate, abuse, stupidity, ruthlessness, carelessness and so on. i dont need to continue.

                            animals however, have the capacity for love and companionship, especially in times when another human could never provide it.

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                            • 7 votes
                            #5.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:26 AM EST
                            {"commentId":10867824,"authorDomain":"elsa-1488129"}

                            So, it is okay to kill those animals who cannot fend for themselves? I understand that a lot of homeless people did not choose to end up on the street, probably most of them, but they can get help... Animals on the other hand do not have the ability to get a job, or find shelter. They are truly unable to care for themselves after years of domestication have taken away their basic instincts...

                            I'm not even going to start with the abortion issue.. waste of my time...

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                            • 5 votes
                            #5.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:28 AM EST
                            {"commentId":10867945,"authorDomain":"teenat420"}

                            Can you imagine if the people choosing the services to "kill" their own children did not have this option. Most of them would not care for the child or end up abusing or abandoning them anyway. Then we would have generation after generation of abusors and unwanted children who are on the streets trying to survive. Gee, what could be sadder. Most people who "kill" their children didn't want them anyway and never intended to become pregnant, so be grateful these kind of people have another option. We are talking about pets......people who make a decision to own a pet and not carry through with the responsibility, the pets have no choice in the matter and depend on the owner

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                              #5.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10868038,"authorDomain":"loveminx"}

                              You should have been aborted you moron.

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                              • 1 vote
                              #5.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:38 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10868094,"authorDomain":"americanassociationalmanac"}

                              Such a simplistic comment. Of course people value other people over animals, but saying we value a pet over a person is ridiculous! Typical Pro-Life rant. Your comments tell me you are a very shallow thinker. It's terrible when there's suffering on any level. But to suggest people who care about suffering animals don't care about suffering humans is just pure callous ignorance. Go take your prolife rant someplace else.

                              {"commentId":10868094,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"americanassociationalmanac"}
                              • 7 votes
                              #5.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:40 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10868211,"authorDomain":"cinful"}

                              I am okay with animals having their babies vacuumed out of their wombs, in fact I encourage it. Over breeding causes all these animals to be homeless. If more people and animals had babies vacuumed out, we would have homes for everyone!! Thanks Lorraine you solved the problem.

                              {"commentId":10868211,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"cinful"}
                              • 2 votes
                              #5.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:46 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10868305,"authorDomain":"lnlopez"}

                              You should be embarrassed by how ignorant you sound.. this is a discussion about careess animal abandonment, not abortion. Keep your political agenda out of this and get an education before you use inaccurate terms like "vacuumed out of her womb" your comments are disgusting and a disgrace to females everywhere

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                              • 5 votes
                              #5.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10868321,"authorDomain":"isabel-1488190"}

                              No need to use this forum as your personal soapbox.

                              {"commentId":10868321,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"isabel-1488190"}
                              • 5 votes
                              #5.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10868654,"authorDomain":"AnnOsborn"}

                              Lorraine, how pathetic that you bring abortion into this topic (equating a parasitic fetus with an actual person who has been been born). We humans aren't that far removed from other mammals; we all need the same things: food, water and shelter. No animal should be dumped and no human should be either. Where is your concern that some people dump their babies in dumpsters? No,you are only concerned about fetuses!

                              {"commentId":10868654,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"AnnOsborn"}
                              • 3 votes
                              #5.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:04 PM EST
                              {"commentId":10868714,"authorDomain":"soozen"}

                              "While I'm sorry to hear about animals being abandoned by careless owners, I do believe that Americans overall have a tendency to put pets before human life, and to me, this is a worse crime. Americans feed their cats and dogs while thinking nothing of giving food, warmth, or shelter to a human being who sleeps in a cardboard box out on the street. If an animal becomes mistreated, they call it a crime, but when a woman has her own child vacuumed out of her womb, this is 'reproductive freedom.' I'm disgusted with these misplaced priorities. Why is it cruel to put animals to death when innocent babies are killed by the thousands in the U.S. each and every single day. Come on, people. Let's get our priorities right. We have pity for animals, but none for man. Go figure."

                              Not exactly true...most people that have compassion for animals, have compassion period. Your assumptions I believe are misplaced. When someone takes on the responsibility of another living creature, adopting it into their family, they should make sure that they treat it with kindness and respect. For those pets depend on us for everything. Our pets are not disposables to be treated as things to be tossed aside like a possession we no longer want, need or can care for. If someone cannot care for their pet due to unfortunate circumstances then they should make sure the animal is put into the hands of someone that can care for them.

                              Humans are not an endangered species unlike many creatures we have misplaced. There is in fact too many of us and not enough tigers, bears or others too numerous to name. We humans have usurped their habitats, polluted their waters, etc. and all because we "think" we are so much more important. This human centrist attitude and over population is the crux of the problems the natural world and this fragile planet faces.

                              Animals feel pain, loss, love, and our beloved pets always forgive, no matter what. That is more than I can say for a lot of humans who don't realize that everything matters, it is all connected and how we treat our pets says a great deal about how we treat each other.

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                              • 8 votes
                              #5.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:07 PM EST
                              {"commentId":10868770,"authorDomain":"SES-1488228"}

                              Since the right wingers are so concerned with the plight of unwanted children, I have a superb idea! Why don't they open their homes and adopt those children? Keep your morals and religious beliefs off other people's bodies! I agree with the poster about more people and animals being vaccuumed...population control for all, no matter what the species!

                              {"commentId":10868770,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"SES-1488228"}
                              • 7 votes
                              #5.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:09 PM EST
                              {"commentId":10869056,"authorDomain":"goodoverevil"}

                              Yes it is extreme cruelty to kill unborn babies, and/or to neglect the homeless. No one is stating it is not, and I don't believe that's what this article is about. It is just bringing to attention another painful effect of hard times. But I also have to agree with one of the others who spoke out to say that people do have options to get help, and those of us that are animal lovers most of the time have compassion & give to causes that help the homeless. Animals that are domesticated don't have many options- and to put to sleep, as though they were garbage, thousands of loving creatures is horrendous!

                              {"commentId":10869056,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"goodoverevil"}
                                #5.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:21 PM EST
                                {"commentId":10869308,"authorDomain":"haileys7"}

                                It is called a legal abortion! This board is about animals & how the recession has affected them. Take your soap box & find a different board.

                                Back to the SUBJECT......I think a lot of us with pets have had to do some creative thinking to feed all of our "family" members this year. I know I have had to switch to cheaper pet food & like another person mentioned, we have had lower cost meals ourselves this year. I don't mind though.....& I am sure our 2 cats & the dog don't either.

                                Bottom line is I would never even think of dropping my animals off at a shelter & running. They are MY responsibility & nobody Else's! In my opinion, the people who do this are just plain cowards & if people are leaving them abandoned to fend for themselves, they are also criminals.

                                {"commentId":10869308,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"haileys7"}
                                • 3 votes
                                #5.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:32 PM EST
                                {"commentId":10869848,"authorDomain":"lizrock"}

                                This is completely untrue and very ignorant. There are millions of people who care for the homeless of our society. Have you ever worked at a soup kitchen, or vounteered at a homeless shelter for a few nights. People certainly care about these people. Animals, as you know, cannot speak- they cannot be heard so we need special people who are able to give them a voice. If an animal is being abused at home they cannot call social services and be removed, if an animal has been neglected or abandoned by a so called "gaurdian" they cannot let others know. The animals have it so much worse then people can comprehend. As humun beings, there are some of us who rate ourselves as higher than any other creature on the planet- and this is not an accurate perception. Whether any of you like this statement or not WE ARE ALL THE SAME I am no better than a dog or a cat or even an ant and neither are you. We are all in this together- we are all going to the same place- all of us will die- none will escape this, so to say that we put animals in front of people is misplaced. I ask you- are there scattered random places where we can bring our unwanted children or elderly to be executed simply because we can't afford or want them any longer? Nope- didn't think so. Unfortunately these poor animals are living in a world full of arrogant and ignorant human beings who decide that it's better to kill animals then find a place for them somewhere else. So is it really equal then- do we have humane society's for people where people can be dropped off by their so called loved ones to be killed because the rest of the family can no longer afford a particular person- or maybe they simply don't want that person anymore. I also ask you- have you ever read a label that said this product was tested on humans? no, no my friend- you are very mistaken the animals have it way worse than you could ever imagine and I am sure that in one way or another you will find out that being an animal living in a dominant human world is certainly no picinic. Someday the animals will be rid of all of us, but until that day comes we have an obligation to treat every creature on earth in the exact same manner as we would want to be treated. I think if I knew you that I may want to bring you back to the animal shelter. Have a pleasant day there! Next time, think before you have something ignorant and cruel to say because you will find out for yourself just how selfish and arrognat you really are- can't wait!

                                {"commentId":10869848,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"lizrock"}
                                • 3 votes
                                #5.14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:53 PM EST
                                {"commentId":10870618,"authorDomain":"pejsek"}

                                I am disgusted by people who think humans have some kind of priority or divine rights over other living beings just by the mere fact that they are human. This kind of thinking is the root of the problem. Humans are not any more entitled to be treated with kindness, compassion and respect than are animals. As noted in one of the responses, there are a lot of people out there that don't think twice about discarding a pet when they are in difficult financial straits but won't get rid of the satellite dish or other unnecessary items they have. THIS is where priorities are wrong!

                                {"commentId":10870618,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"pejsek"}
                                • 1 vote
                                #5.15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM EST
                                Reply
                                {"commentId":10867510,"authorDomain":"decelloc"}

                                The arrogance of human's is mind boggling. For some reason, because we think that we reason, we subject the other critters ofn this planet to the most obscene cruelty.

                                And most of this is done in the name of religion, the bane of humanity, and to the detriment the rest of the animal kingdom

                                As for abandoning your pet, you who do so, are disgusting. You can feed and care for your pet by canceling your Internet connection or your cable TV.

                                {"commentId":10867510,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"decelloc"}
                                • 15 votes
                                Reply#6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:15 AM EST
                                {"commentId":10869670,"authorDomain":"sephy479"}

                                Very true, a lot of people think luxuries are necessities.

                                I would give up everything before giving up any of my animals, 2 cats & 1 dog. Those 3 animals have more love and compassion than most people do, so it will be a cold day in hell before I give them up for my greedy ‘wants’. I can live on Ramen Noodles and toast, and I do not truly need cable, a cell phone, internet, or whatever else. It is my responsibility to keep my sweetbabies safe, warm and fed.

                                {"commentId":10869670,"threadId":"731793","contentId":"3538911","authorDomain":"sephy479"}
                                • 5 votes
                                #6.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:47 PM EST
                                {"commentId":10870217,"authorDomain":"lizrock"}

                                So very true- very. very well said. I would certainly do that- and have done that.

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                                • 1 vote
                                #6.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM EST
                                {"commentId":10873352,"authorDomain":"colocatmom"}

                                Yep. There's definitely a lot of wiggle room in my budget before I'd give up my cats. What they give me is so much more than anything I can buy. I'd give up cable and internet service and eat beans and rice before the boys would go away. And I'd adopt more if there was any way I could do so. I already feed 4-6 ferals in addition to my 3 inside kitties. Unfortunately, some of the ferals have been so abused and maltreated that all I can offer them is a warm place to sleep and a meal and if they're sick MAYBE mixing some antibiotics into some wet food. When one of them trusts me enough to allow a pet now and then, it makes it all worth it. Most humans are not nearly so grateful. The more I see of people, the more I love my cats.

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                                  #6.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:25 PM EST
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                                  {"commentId":10867515,"authorDomain":"Tomcares"}

                                  A cat being thrown from a car window is not abandoned, it is abused and the owner is a criminal.

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                                  Reply#7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:15 AM EST
                                  {"commentId":10867536,"authorDomain":"frogger86"}

                                  We just adopted a rescue dog - there are so many wonderful groups out there to help - ours really did a great job matching her to our family's needs so that this would be a forever home for her. They really make it easy and I would encourage everyone to help an animal find a new home rather than buying, even from a responsible breeder. If you are in a position to give a home, great, if not give a few dollars to help these groups. Petfinder.com is a great resource.

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                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:16 AM EST
                                  {"commentId":10869269,"authorDomain":"isabel-1488190"}

                                  Great comment! We have three rescue dogs at the moment, including a Greyhound. And two cats. I realize that no one adopts a pet with the thought of abandoning them later on, but please be responsible. Neuter and spay your pets. They make much better pets anyway.

                                  If you love animals, but really cannot afford them, do not adopt them. Instead get involved with rescue agencies, volunteer at a shelter, or donate items such as used towels or newspapers that you may have laying around. Call your local shelter to get a wish list--there are many things they need which do not cost a lot and you can pick up on your weekly shopping trip.

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                                  • 3 votes
                                  #8.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":10869628,"authorDomain":"meow2u3"}

                                  You're right on the money. If you love animals but can't afford to adopt, consider fostering. Fostering pets not only saves their lives, but you don't have a 10-15-year commitment to a pet which gets more expensive with each passing year. The shelter that arranges the foster provides the resources so you don't have to dig into your already thin wallet to take care of him or her. The only drawback to fostering is that your commitment is temporary and if you do get attached to the animal, it can and often will be heartbreaking to give it up when it comes time to bring'em back in.

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                                  • 3 votes
                                  #8.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:45 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":10869891,"authorDomain":"sephy479"}

                                  I adopted 2 cats that I found on my property in the dead of winter. I live in MN, so it gets very cold here. I know they would have froze to death if I had not brought them in, they were wet and dirty and very skinny.

                                  I have had them for about 2 years now, one is very muscular and the other is a fat chunk. They are the sweetest kitties in the world. I get kitty kisses when I wake up in the morning and a talkative greeting when I get home from work. I have no idea why anyone would have pushed them outside in the dead of winter to die, it truly breaks my heart to think of what could have happened if I hadn’t found them.

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                                  • 4 votes
                                  #8.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:55 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":10872933,"authorDomain":"rjglen"}

                                  I work with cocker spaniel rescue.. one of the trult overbred breeds of dogs.. and a high number are in kill shelters as well as other shelters acrtoss this country.. puppy mills are rampant in a few states.. with little or no regulations.. God gave us the creatures of this earth to care for and tend to... if you can't do that.. then don't have an animal!!! Plain and simple.. and yes.. please spay or neuter.. adopt from a rescue or shelter.. don't buy from a breeder or pet store... and if you can't care for an animal.. consider volunteering to walk ro brush some dogs and cats.. or have a yard sale and give some of the proceeds to a local shelter or rescue. We just fininshed our holiday auction for rescues across the country.. we ahd more rescues participate this year than ever before.. volunteer rescue groups don't have a lot of finances.. nor do they have BIG backers.. can't get Oprah or Ellen to answer any of our please for help - we are too small.. and go unnoticed.. this is the majority of rescues in this country.. small.. struggling.. with dedicated volunteers that go above and beyond what others will do for the sake of a saving an animal from a life of neglect, hardship, etc... and we don't dismiss the importance of human life either.. you will find that the majority of animal rescuers are as vigilant about human life as they are animals.. we just find the humans can be unbelievably cruel... animals are disposable.. how terribly sad for us to be... that a living breathing creature is as disposable as every day garbage.....

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                                    #8.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:05 PM EST
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                                    {"commentId":10867582,"authorDomain":"Riverbratt"}

                                    Its all very sad...In order to curb this problem there needs to be a community effort.  I think vets who take all our money need to lower costs and do some free or cheap spay and neuter clinics, the companies who make dog and cat food could lower costs so people can afford to feed their pets,  and landlords who are unwilling to accept animals could at least accept an animal or two by charging a small deposit. 

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                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST
                                    {"commentId":10868068,"authorDomain":"rockndvm"}

                                    I agree with the concept. The "action plan" is a bit crystal castle in the sky with dreamy piping. The economy hits everyone. Vets have to eat too. There are boocoo free spay and neuter clinics out there already. Each veterinary college in the US have them on multiple occasions throughout the year. Spays and neuters are automatically discounted. Each time an alteration surgery happens, the vet eats the cost. Medical supplies aren't cheap and that is what most places charge. The cost they spend on supplies and that's it.

                                    The problem is that people don't use the services. There are even free services (spay, neuter, deworming, vax) offered to homeless through the vet colleges working with local groups.

                                    It goes back to having responsibility for another life in the first place. People have specific definitions of "life". They get out of the guilt associated with abortions, surrendering an inconvenient pet, etc. simply by saying "well, its not really alive" or "there are plenty of them around, one more won't matter" or the worst, "i want my kids to see the miracle of life". Let them then see the inevitable sequelae of that miracle is when you surrender the newborn animals to be euthanized.

                                    Here again, a community effort is required, but the steps suggested are not really feasible (except for the pet food companies, of course. $40 for a bag of dog food is a BIT extravagant...but still, there are cheaper varieties out there. Dime store brand anyone? Table scraps??). An even more effective (and, consequentially, even more pie in the sky idea), would be a focus on personal accountability to, not society, but life itself.

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                                    • 2 votes
                                    #9.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:39 AM EST
                                    {"commentId":10868924,"authorDomain":"mookieanddaisy"}

                                    I SO AGREE WITH VETS HAVING TO LOWER THEIR COSTS!! Its outrageous what they charge. I have two dogs rescued from a shelter 10 years ago (all my dogs have either been rescued off the street or from a shelter) but the fees keep going up & up at all the vets. I have switched over the years but they all eventually charge the same. I just asked for an estimate for having their teeth cleaned, would you believe it could cost up to $750 each!!!! OK they are big dogs, 50 lbs each, but give me a break.

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                                    • 4 votes
                                    #9.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:16 PM EST
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                                    {"commentId":10867595,"authorDomain":"sally9"}

                                    This is awful, but my heart reaches out to those that cannot keep their beloved pets. I am a college student and wish that I could take in a cat to help the animals, but college regulations do not allow any animals other than fish. I believe that quite a few college students would take in animals from shelters if their schools' policies allowed.

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                                      Reply#10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:18 AM EST
                                      {"commentId":10869506,"authorDomain":"Nightcloud"}

                                      Colleges do that because back in the 60's many of them did allow cats in the houses and dorms and when the semester ended most of the cats were left abandoned. The colleges decided that most, (I SAID MOST) college students weren't mature or responsible enough to have animals on campus. So the practice was stopped across the country.

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                                        #10.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:40 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":10873476,"authorDomain":"colocatmom"}

                                        Sadly, that hasn't helped much. I live in an area near the college here and the students who rent off campus houses and apartments get a lot of animals and then abandon them at the end of the semester. I'm sure that's how I got my wonderful old feral cat BLUE. He remembers being with humans and is socialized. Unfortunately, I suspect when he became a cat instead of a kitten and started to spray, he was thrown out with the garbage. He's a great cat and it breaks my heart to think somebody abandoned him.

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                                          #10.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:30 PM EST
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                                          {"commentId":10867598,"authorDomain":"dinawarriorprncss"}

                                          sorry, but even in tough times, people can STILL take care of their pets. just as you would yourself or your family.

                                          if you are not WILLING to take on the responsibility, then you should NEVER have made that commitment in the first place.

                                          stupid people.

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                                          • 6 votes
                                          Reply#11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:18 AM EST
                                          {"commentId":10873941,"authorDomain":"keke-2"}

                                          agreed. people are selfish and arrogant.

                                          i have, over the years, adopted MANY pets and have given them the love any 3 year old child would require. it has been a struggle to afford to care for all of them but i have always found a way whether it was finding a permanent home for them or working harder to provide.

                                          people today expect a lot of handouts and escape routes. instead of taking responsibility for their bad decisions or actions, they simply and heartlessly ditch whatever is easiest. this applies to marriage, pets and even children.

                                          regardless, many people today did not grow up in households with pets and do not realize the bond that can be made with an animal, nor do they realize that having a feline or canine is the equivalent to having a small, helpless child.

                                          the most any of us can do is volunteer our time, give what we can and spread the word.

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                                          #11.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:49 PM EST
                                          {"commentId":11134371,"authorDomain":"dmsutton"}

                                          You see this...

                                          dinawarriorprncss
                                          sorry, but even in tough times, people can STILL take care of their pets. just as you would yourself or your family.
                                          if you are not WILLING to take on the responsibility, then you should NEVER have made that commitment in the first place.
                                          stupid people.

                                          ...is exactly what I was talking about above. A nice example of a sociopath looking for an excuse to vent their self loathing issues and still sleep at night.

                                          The 'Animal Rights Movement' is chock full of people like this. Human beings that don't care about animals nearly as much as they hate people. It's a Group-Think environment that encourages everyone to slide further, and further down that slippery slope.

                                          This is not a compassionate, caring human being. This is a narcissistic, selfish, brat who at least gets off on guilting people to feel like crap, (and I suspect gets even more satisfaction out of fantasies of hurting these terrible, stupid, animal abusers) while she consoles herself with justifications for her behavior with delusions of moral superiority.

                                          Now, I would guess this particular example's age to be chronologically somewhere between 12 and 18 so maybe she'll grow out of it. Or she's older and just emotionally 12, and probably won't. It's also hard to tell just how far this particular Princess is down the road, but she's far enough to deserve at least a rant. Either way, I'm so fed up with these snots I'm not pulling punches anymore.

                                          For anyone who thinks like this; go see a therapist, and maybe you will work through your issues enough to not just be a whining, self absorbed, elitist, waste of skin who is only capable of being just one more sucking black hole within the human race.

                                          Oh... And for the record, yup. I think... No... I know that I'm better than you. And if that makes me a hypocrite, I couldn't really give a flying f*** anymore. All of you wanted a war, and now you're starting to get one.

                                          I like most people... Most of them irritate me, true, but I think most of them are also pretty descent. But not you people, I despise people like you. Absolutely, insidious, useless, pieces of crap that throughout history have caused more suffering than all of the outwardly despostic, vicious, and violent combined; because without you, they would have been culturally impotent.

                                          In another era, most of you would not have dreamed of getting on this poor-fluffy-puppy/kitten/bunny-majestic-whale/horse/eagle social movement and would have just skipped to burning witches, or signed up for the Inquisition. And just like your counterparts in those previous era's, you are being used and manipulated by those with socio-political, or financial agendas that have nothing at all to do with your 'moral platform.'

                                          I have a theory that if those people that actually take this ethical philosophy all the way to it's inevitable conclusion; (ELF, ALF, PETA, and a good chunk of the HSUS, etc...) had their way and could actually live independent of 'animal exploitation' on some island somewhere, they would create a culture of cannibalism within a generation. Because most of them are just... that... sick.

                                          There. I said it, and it felt good.

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                                            #11.2 - Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:28 PM EST
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                                            {"commentId":10867644,"authorDomain":"cheryl1488122"}

                                            I think part of the problem as that the vets and food companies need to come down on their prices. $300 to spay a cat (including shots) Really? And its like pulling a tooth to adopt a pet, I tried for months and couldn't so I went to a pet store. Everyone wants help but no one wants to give... Thats the problem. Very sad....

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                                            Reply#12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:20 AM EST
                                            {"commentId":10868281,"authorDomain":"oldsalt58"}

                                            I work for a Golden Retriever rescue in NE florida and it surprises me that you had such a difficult time adopting. Our procedures are fairly simple and it usually is just the process of matching up the right dog with right people. Sometimes we are short on pups which we consider a blessing as we have also been swormed over in this economy. Our adoption fee is very reasonable and goes directly to vet/medical expenses that we often have to pay to bring back a homeless dog to health. Our fosters pay for the food the dogs eat although sometimes we've gotten donations from the pet stores. So far, my wife and I have fostered 35 dogs and adopted 1.

                                            PLEASE!!! Get your pets fixed. Do not support puppy mills. Be charitable when you can. We're aligned with the local shelters and we've seen how difficult it's become for them. If you have to give up a pet, do it responsibly and don't just do a drop off. You loved your pet enough to get it in the first place; allow it one last gift.

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                                            #12.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:49 AM EST
                                            {"commentId":10873513,"authorDomain":"colocatmom"}

                                            Good grief. Come to Colorado. There's plenty of abandoned animals roaming the streets free for the taking. I've lived in my house for nearly 20 years and since I've been here, I've had a constant stream of feral kitties beating a path to my door. What is so sad is that I'll get attached to them and feed them for a year or two and then they'll just disappear. Sometimes I find them dead on the road and sometimes I'm sure they become coyote or fox food.

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                                              #12.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:32 PM EST
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                                              {"commentId":10867656,"authorDomain":"kilyamongthorns"}

                                              Your statements make no sense. Arrogance has nothing to do with my statements. I'm merely stating a fact. Cruelty is wrong, whether it be carried out against an animal or a human being. I think you need to read my statements over again, sir, and work on your reading comprehension skills.

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                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:21 AM EST
                                              {"commentId":10867661,"authorDomain":"elsa-1488129"}

                                              Very heartbreaking.. puts me in tears... I just adopted another dog so it wouldn't be put down... I will give up my cable, phone, lower the thermostat, anything besides give them away or have them put down...

                                              poor babies... I wish I could take them all home..

                                              I also agree with Jamie, would you put your child up for adoption just because they were expensive??

                                              Also, it would be helpful for Vets to try and lower some of their costs.. it does make it hard on people to pay the bills for their animals, so they just go without...

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                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:21 AM EST
                                              {"commentId":10867672,"authorDomain":"crf100rider"}

                                              Wow, this makes me sad and angry. We view our two pets as part of the family. I have raised both the dog and cat from babies and am so attached and love them very much. I could never leave them! I would go without and sacrifice for them. When I adopted my two animals I committed my life to care for them. They can't do it! Animals are NOT disposable!!! They are living beings that need care.

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                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:22 AM EST
                                              {"commentId":10867692,"authorDomain":"Tomcares"}

                                              Glad so many of us care about these animals. A few years ago a stray cat showed up on my porch. I adopted him and now he is a happy healthy cat.

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                                              • 3 votes
                                              Reply#16 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:23 AM EST
                                              {"commentId":10868332,"authorDomain":"ricky59"}

                                              An orange tabby appeared at my door one day. I tried to ignore her, but couldn't. She was starving and looked terrible. I took her in, made a vet appointment and had her shots and spaying taken care of immediately. This was about 2 years old at the time. I can only wonder and shudder to think what conditions were like for the first two years of this cat's life.

                                              In any case, today "Maggie" is a happy, well-fed kitty who loves to be brushed.

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                                              #16.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST
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                                              {"commentId":10867706,"authorDomain":"flb"}

                                              Here's a money-making idea for states, counties, whatever. Before a person is allowed to adopt or buy a pet, they have to take a "pet owner's ed" class, take a test, and get a license, just like the process for getting a driver's license. Fees can go to animal shelter and control budgets.

                                              Personally, I'd like to see the same process for prospective parents, too.

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                                                Reply#17 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:23 AM EST
                                                {"commentId":10867806,"authorDomain":"crf100rider"}

                                                That's a great idea but the majority of people would not want to jump through hoops to adopt an animal. This could possibly create and even larger problem.

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                                                • 2 votes
                                                #17.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:28 AM EST
                                                {"commentId":10868049,"authorDomain":"eweeks5"}

                                                flbikerchick - you'd probably be surprised at how much it costs to adopt a dog or cat from animal shelters already - around $100. But I'm not complaining, my dog is well worth it to me, as is the cost of taking good care of her, even though I'm unemployed. My mother has a very old dog which for which she'll only pay minimal vet bills. She is stuck on how much she "should pay" for an animals care, instead of thinking about how much he is worth to her - or just plain compassion. I have always taken the responsibility of a pet very seriously. It irks me no end to hear people say the "had to" get rid of their dog or cat becuase they moved somewhere it wasn't allowed. No, they chose to move somewhere they could not take the dog or cat and thus abandoned it every bit as much as if they'd dumped it at an animal shelter. As to Larraine, you drag abortion into this discussion and assume everyone believes as you, that life begins at conception. Maybe if you'd admit that many do not think a 2 week olf fetus is a "baby" you'd calm down and get over your obsession with that subject. I am not in favor of abortion but when everyone makes the worst possible interpretation of the actions of others just to trump of their emotional arsenal, is it any wonder our society is so divided now?

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                                                  #17.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:39 AM EST
                                                  {"commentId":10869478,"authorDomain":"KrisT"}

                                                  I have two dogs that were adopted, one from a puppy mill and one from a hoarding situation. These dogs are part of my family. I would no more give them up than I would my own children (who are all grown up, BTW). My husband and I would rather eat less than starve my dogs. It costs less than $20 a month to feed them and they give so much in return.

                                                  It sounds like the animals being dropped off were not part of anyone's family, or the people are so racked by guilt that they think a quick "getaway" will make them feel less guilty. I'm guessing that it won't - they'll always live with the fact that they "dumped" their pet. What kind of example does this show their kids? That it's okay to dump a pet? Maybe the kids think they'll be next?

                                                  Unfortunately, there are people who genuinely cannot take care of them and take them to the Humane Society as a last resort, hoping their pets will be adopted quickly to a good home. My heart goes out to these people and I hope they find peace with their decision, as this could not have been an easy choice.

                                                  First: No one should adopt any animal unless they are committed to taking good care of it. This goes for backyard breeders, as well. Don't take that adorable puppy or kitten into your home unless you you are willing to take care of it for the rest of its life. Pets are not cute little toys to be abandoned when they've outgrown their cuteness. Dogs can live up to 20 years and cats can go beyond 20 years of age.

                                                  Second: Why doesn't the Humane Society or other animal organization offer free or minimal cost spaying/neutering (say, $5 or $10). This would cut their costs drastically, since many people don't want to pay big bucks for such a simple procedure. That way, they wouldn't be stuck with so many puppies and kittens and people could keep their pets. If they could afford to have mobile spay/neuter vans going to various neighborhoods, this would be ideal. Same goes for veterinary procedures, also. They spend an inordinate amount of money taking in animals, feeding them and then, eventually, end up euthanizing a great deal of them. This doesn't seem very cost effective to me.

                                                  Third: We need more food pantries for pet food, only. People willingly give tons of food to food pantries for people - although, I understand that donations are not as big as they used to be - so, I feel that people would gladly donate pet food so people could keep their pets if food costs are a big issue. I know there are some programs like this around some parts of the country, already. Maybe there should be a "Meals on Wheels" program for pet food, also. Many seniors can barely afford food for themselves, but not for their pets.

                                                  Fourth: Dog obediencel training would go a long way in preventing these "dumped" pets. It would be nice to have classes in dog obedience that are cheap and affordable for people who simply can't afford them.

                                                  Regarding the "abortion" issue. This statement was totally uncalled for. We don't need anymore dogs and cats, there are too many waiting in shelters for their "forever" home. There are quite a few people out there who are not fit to be parents and should have abortions. They should have access to legal, safe abortions. But, most importantly, these people should have access to birth control options and use abortion only as a last resort. There have been too many kids abused and killed and are suffering from neglect, even today, that shouldn't. Unfortunately, not everyone should be a parent or a pet owner, as these are huge responsibilities and not to be taken lightly AT ALL!

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                                                  #17.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:39 PM EST
                                                  {"commentId":10872182,"authorDomain":"DZein"}

                                                  KrisT - As I previously stated above, 'I've had four pedigree dogs and my last one (a "mixed breed") I adopted from an animal shelter - as far as the "Adoption Fee"... for $100, the dog was spayed, all shots, micro-chipped and included a one year medical policy. At my regular Vet's office, from past experience, the price tag would have been north of $500. The paltry "Adoption Fee" is made possible to the free donation by venterians who are doing their best to keep the pet safe and affordable to those could not afford one otherwise'

                                                  Additionally, the dog I adopted had been well taken care of for five months at the shelter - I actually got her as a "mark down" special as she was nearing the end of her time. I don't think there was much profit in this situation...

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                                                    #17.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:32 PM EST
                                                    {"commentId":10873446,"authorDomain":"KrisT"}

                                                    You are correct about the adoption fee including the spaying/neutering, all shots and microchipping, with $100 being very reasonable.

                                                    I was speaking mainly about the Humane Societies that provide vet care for animals not in their care or that go through their adoption process. While their fees are still more reasonable than a private vet, it wouldn't hurt them or other animal organizations to offer spaying/neutering at even lower prices. Maybe just offer this service once a month for $5-10 for people who can't otherwise afford it. I believe it would make a big difference, at least, in lowering the pet population. There are simply too many puppies and kittens being born that can't find homes.

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                                                      #17.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:29 PM EST
                                                      {"commentId":10880074,"authorDomain":"bugabo342009"}

                                                      Some humane societies do offer low cost spaying and neutering. I called my local shelter and was able to get my cat neutered at a local vet with a coupon from them for $10. Check into it! My cat was a stray and I didn't even adopt him through their organization.

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                                                        #17.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:38 PM EST
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                                                        {"commentId":10867722,"authorDomain":"Maureen-1488137"}

                                                        Please, please, foster and adopt. Do not be selfish. I have had shelter/rescue animals for years. These animals are no trouble. I believe it is because they are grateful and smell the death in the shelter...it is the only way I can explain how little trouble pound dogs and cats are. Do the right thing this holiday. Go to the pound and bring home a dog or cat!

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                                                        Reply#18 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:24 AM EST
                                                        {"commentId":10868381,"authorDomain":"subo"}

                                                        I completely and totally agree with you. Such a simple thing to do and it will enhance lives so much, both human and pet.

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                                                          #18.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:53 AM EST
                                                          {"commentId":10869652,"authorDomain":"academiaatlanta"}

                                                          Maureen:

                                                          While I agree with your sentiment, I would only encourage those people to take an animal into their homes who are willing to take on a major responsibility. I walk my dogs around my neighborhood every morning and see the same unhappy dogs locked up in a back yard. Their owners are all inside, fat and happy. These dogs are never walked, are rarely interacted with, and have become little more that animate lawn furniture to their owners. So sad for such social animals. So my advice would be: if you aren't willing to, or can't do what it takes to keep a pet happy, healthy and same, don't adopt.

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                                                          #18.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:46 PM EST
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                                                          {"commentId":10867757,"authorDomain":"scorpion-s-bite"}

                                                          Truely a sad situation to be driven to discard a pet in such a way. Do these people think its humane to pass on the burden of responsibility by dumping it on someone else knowing what the likely outcome will be for the poor animal?

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                                                          Reply#19 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:25 AM EST
                                                          {"commentId":10867767,"authorDomain":"toppert"}

                                                          Tammy & Jaime, my kids have always been dogs, so I can't imagine leaving one at the shelter, but if I also had human kids they would be the priority. Right now things are bad enough for some that they unfortunately have to make that very choice, give up the dog or have themselves and their kids skip meals. In many cases they also have to make housing choices due to the loss of a home and when renting on the low end there isn't always the choice of finding a place that will accept dogs. Yes, I agree there are alot of irresponsible people out there, but have the same compassion for some people in bad situations right now that you apparently have for the animals.

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                                                          Reply#20 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:26 AM EST
                                                          {"commentId":10867867,"authorDomain":"jeddld"}

                                                          Lorraine, you missed the point, human people have the ability to change the situation they are in, in this day and age a woman does not have to get pregnant, she has a choice, a person sleeping in a box on the street can change the situation they are in even if it means flipping burgers for minimum wage, the person has a choice. The mistreated pet, cat, dog, fish or horse does not have a choice, they are dependent on their owners for almost everything. They require little, love, food, water and a dry warm place to sleep. I do have pity for mankind, but in the wink of an eye he can change his situation, a mistreated pet can't.

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                                                          Reply#21 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:30 AM EST
                                                          {"commentId":10867871,"authorDomain":"lizzydog"}

                                                          In Maricopa county, AZ (including Phoenix) we see 100,000 dogs and cats entering our shelter system each year. Some animals are picked up wandering the streets as owners have just let them go, others are brought in by owners who can no longer care for them. What they all have in common is the need for for a second chance at life, something that is far from a guarantee when you deal with these kinds of numbers.

                                                          This is truly a community problem, and not one that individual animal welfare organizations can in any way solve on their own. In Maricopa County, the ten leading animal shelters and rescue groups are working together to solve the problem - and with a lot of success. Not a single healthy animal has been euthanized in our shelters since 2005. Now, that does not in any way mean that animals are not being euthanized. Many dogs and cats need extensive treatment and time to heal body and soul before being able to go into new homes. Because of lack of resources, providing this type of care is not always possible. PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHELTER! It is only thanks to donors and community support that these deserving dogs and cats will get a second chance at life.

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                                                          Reply#22 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:31 AM EST
                                                          {"commentId":10867896,"authorDomain":"shopprmom1"}

                                                          My beloved dog is a shelter rescue and our cat 'found' us one night last year when she appeared at our door. I could never abandon them-they're part of the family. What I find even more sad than the huge numbers of abandoned animals is the greed of people who continue to breed their pets to earn money in this economic crisis.  The classified section of our local newspaper is overfilled with ads and pictures of precious creatures whom their owners breed to sell for ridiculous prices.  This just adds to the problem of animal overpopulation. 

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                                                            Reply#23 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:32 AM EST
                                                            {"commentId":10869912,"authorDomain":"meow2u3"}

                                                            My female cat, Ruby, found me 3 years ago when she, as a kitten, showed up at my door, not taking no for an answer, as if to tell me "You're my human whether you like it or not." I couldn't get her spayed when I wanted to because there was no low-cost spay/neuter service where I lived at the time, so she ended up having a litter of 3 kittens. I kept her firstborn male (he's named Maximus, or Max for short) and adopted out the two girls. Max is Ruby's favorite and she allowed him to nurse longer than she did the females.

                                                            Only after the kittens were weaned and the girls gone did I get the mother spayed and the son neutered. Needless to say, I moved to a place that did offer affordable spay/neuter service.

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                                                            #23.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:55 PM EST
                                                            {"commentId":10873164,"authorDomain":"doublejs46"}

                                                            Sue B you are so right when you said "your're my human whether you lke it or not." That si how we ended up with both our cats.

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                                                              #23.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:16 PM EST
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                                                              {"commentId":10867991,"authorDomain":"fourkiddies"}

                                                              I am a single mom with 2 daughters and 2 dogs so I have four children.

                                                              My kids would not survive if I let the dogs go. I would eat less. I would not abandon my dogs

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                                                              Reply#24 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:36 AM EST
                                                              {"commentId":10869892,"authorDomain":"KrisT"}

                                                              Good for you! Not to mention the fact that if you dumped your dogs, your kids might think they're disposable, too!

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                                                              #24.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:55 PM EST
                                                              {"commentId":10879189,"authorDomain":"sanah2"}

                                                              I totally agree. I have 2 dogs and a cat. I have fallen on hard times to the point I qualify for food stamps, (I do work I'm just underemployed/paid). The hardest part about that at one point there was no money for other essentials like soap, T.P. or pet food, but I get a huge amount for food. So I have started feeding them what I eat. I looked into what I could make them to eat and they get part of my groceries. I cook up rice, oatmeal, meats and vegetables and for a snack they frosted cold cereal, (which I rarely eat). The worst part of it is now whenever I go into the kitchen they think I am making them something to eat. I rather have that than have them starve or give them up. They are my family...the cat gets dry cat food or canned tuna.

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                                                                #24.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:48 PM EST
                                                                {"commentId":10889406,"authorDomain":"anika-1"}

                                                                Sanah,

                                                                You are a person after my own heart! I wish all the best for you and your family!!

                                                                Sincerely,

                                                                Kina Canjar

                                                                Denver, CO

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                                                                  #24.3 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:07 AM EST
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                                                                  {"commentId":10868044,"authorDomain":"karenjl625"}

                                                                  First of all I am an ANIMAL LOVER. I can't blame people who've been laid off, etc - family comes first, I understand, BUT PLEASE, don't discard your pet like a piece of garbage. Just go to the shelter and tell the truth. I do believe in euthanasia if the pet cannot be adopted out. Personally, I would NEVER BUY an animal but would ALWAYS adopt and preferably an adult (as they are harder to find homes for compared with pups/kittens). And going forward, please realize that a pet is not just for Christmas but for life. If you can't care for a pet (monetary, emotionally, physically) as one would for a child....THEN DONT HAVE ONE. This is how strays come about - remember they are Gods creatures too.

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                                                                    Reply#25 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:38 AM EST
                                                                    {"commentId":10868425,"authorDomain":"subo"}

                                                                    Amen. Period.

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                                                                      #25.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:55 AM EST
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