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Has local economy hit bottom? Some think so

Image: Electric Motors Corporation
Jennifer Shephard / The Elkhart Truth
Electric Motors Corp.'s Wil Cashen announces plans to build electric car components in the Wakarusa-Nappanee area during a May 14 press conference in Wakarusa, which was attended by Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels and various local leaders.

Has Elkhart's battered economy hit bottom or maybe even turned the corner? At least one economist and a city business leader think it has. But the mayor isn't so sure.

"There are some really good signs there, and chances are a bottom has been hit," Morton Marcus, a retired Indiana University economist and consultant with the Elkhart County Economic Development Council, told msnbc.com. "One is that we're seeing firms that have been in the RV and manufactured housing industries for a long time saying, 'Hey ,maybe we ought to do something else, maybe we ought to diversify.' That is of critical importance when you have structural change in the economy."

Also cautiously optimistic – though in the nearer term -- is Phil Penn, president of the Greater Elkhart Chamber of Commerce.

"There just seems to be a little bit more of an upbeat mood" among local business owners, he said. "Certainly things are not swinging yet, but maybe we're seeing the start of a turnaround on this thing."

In an e-mail newsletter sent earlier this week, Penn noted that several local manufacturers have told him that "they are seeing some up-tick in activity."

He also cited the recent announcement by the Electric Motors Corp. and RV manufacturer Gulfstream of plans to build electric car components in nearby Wakarusa ( click here to read an Elkhart Truth report on the venture) and the upcoming groundbreaking of a new local campus for the Ivy Tech community college as encouraging economic signs.

"Just hang in there," Penn said in closing. "There ARE better times ahead. And it may happen quicker than we think."

Elkhart Truth business reporter Marilyn Odendahl also spotted some "green shoots" in a report published last weekend, noting that several local manufacturers – including some surviving RV makers – have hired back some laid-off workers in recent weeks, likely contributing to a dip in the county's unemployment rate in April to 17.8 percent.

Meantime, the first obvious project funded by federal stimulus dollars in Elkhart County has recently gotten under way, putting 13 unemployed young people to work improving trails in a state park. You can read about that on Friday in a report by msnbc.com's Kari Huus.

But Elkhart Mayor Dick Moore said Thursday that while he's optimistic that the economic downturn has slowed, he's not ready to say that his city and surrounding communities have hit bottom.

"I understand what everybody is seeing, and I appreciate what they're saying and hope they're right, but I'm not totally convinced that we have," he said.

Moore said he too has heard that some manufacturers are ramping up their operations and has been ecouraged by reports from local retailers that sales are up slightly.

"But we need to remember that with summer, the construction industry has gone back to work, and maybe people who are working are loosening up on their spending a little."

Moore is not alone in his concern that the flattening could prove temporary.

Teresa Voors, commissioner of the Indiana Department of Workforce Development, noted in a press release that the April jobless rate figures did not account for the recent layoffs in the auto industry and major steel operations, which she said would be reflected "in the next few months."

And Marcus, the economist, said he expects it will be at least three to six months before the county sees significant improvement in its unemployment rate, and that even then the area will not be a leader in emerging from recession as it has in the past.

"I don't believe it's going to be true this time," he said, predicting that RV manufacturing will not return to previous levels and that it will take time for other industries to establish themselves in the area.

He also said that Elkhart County needs to address other long-term issues, such as improving its schools and building its retail base, if it is to prosper over the long term.

"We often look at manufacturing as the base of an economy, but the welfare of a community often will depend on the quality of its schools and its general attractiveness as a place to live," Marcus said. "That's something that Elkhart County is going to have to come to terms with."

Are you seeing hopeful economic signs in your community? Are you growing more confident that there is light at the end of the recessionary tunnel? Share your thoughts by leaving a comment below.

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{"commentId":7331536,"authorDomain":"wease7231977"}

I love the comment "One Economist thinks it has," One huh, out of a million, so that one comment must be the ultimate turn around. Nothing has turned around. People are still filing for unemployement, housing values are still falling, Obama is still defending the idea to give banks money and screw the automotive groups. This land is built by the manufacturing. without it we won't survive. But go ahead and give the banks some more money so they can hand out bonuses or buy personnel jets. What ever you think? Unbelievable

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Reply#1 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":7331549,"authorDomain":"wease7231977"}

What a joke!

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Reply#2 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT
{"commentId":7332149,"authorDomain":"njtomiami"}

I notice the junk mail and catalogs that overflow my mailbox is sent from Elkhart. Does the demise of Elkhart mean I receive less junk mail?

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Reply#3 - Thu May 28, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":7332351,"authorDomain":"candylyn1975"}

To Joshua-1129268

Please take a moment to find out how many people work for banks.  Now think about what happens to those people if they lose their jobs. 

You don't care about the bankers?  Really? 

What about the tellers who make $12 an hour, or the cleaning crew who make less than that?  What about the IT people who are making less and less each year but spent how many hours in school?  Or the administrative assistants and customer service people (many banks still have American customer service people) who explain to you how you bounced your check? 

There is more to the banks than greedy bankers.  There hard working people trying to make ends meet just like in there are in government and industry.

 

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Reply#4 - Thu May 28, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":7342889,"authorDomain":"mcadams-aa"}

"Bankers" used to have a certain reputation in "small-town America", Now they have a new rep brought about by 30+ years of Maximize Profit Gods. It's gone from "we have a new free card, you can access your accnt, get money, no problems-24/7!-No Fees-hassels-cant overdraw your account-ect" to arguements about what check "cleared" when, what merchant double billed the customer "We can't tell you which merchant did this for TWO DAYS", "Our ATMs cant be trusted to tell you your balance, but if you use the wrong one TWO banks can charge you a fee for your own money!". I'll never forget the CSR that said "You have to be responsible for who you give your card to." If I cant give the lady behind the register the card to charge my meal what exactly is the point for having the card, other than an excuse for the bank to steal from me? I can "get that kind of service" on any street corner in America! Without the press 1 for spanglish, 2 for vietnamese, 3 for french, 4 for totally ignored, 5 for somebody whos computer cant get to my account, 6 to train one of our CSRs for us.........

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#4.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 8:27 AM EDT
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{"commentId":7332410,"authorDomain":"Jobseeker"}

It's nice to see that someone is trying to do something, but I've been out of work for most of the last seven years. That means that I don't count because my benefits ran out a long time ago and there are much younger people that also can't get work.

If we miss a payment to China, even our President may soon be out of a job.

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    Reply#5 - Thu May 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
    {"commentId":7332428,"authorDomain":"laurah-1"}

    Why is Elkhart so important?

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      Reply#6 - Thu May 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
      {"commentId":7333242,"authorDomain":"redman-1"}

      Elkhart has one of the nation's highest unemployment rates, at 19.6 percent, so it is an extreme, concentrated example of the financial distress that is happening to other Americans. This is also the city where President Barack Obama spoke and championed a federal stimulus bill free of "earmarks" and "pork."

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        #6.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT
        {"commentId":7342213,"authorDomain":"juju011"}

        Laura, why wouldn't Elkhart be important? Hummers...Elkhart county! Conrail and the largest train yard in the nation...Elkhart! Most of the mobile housing and RV's on the road and in the south...Elkhart county! It's not just Elkhart, it is the entire county.

        I do not Know where you live, but Elkhart is important because the is where I live. We are the apparent epicenter of the economic meltdown! And we have the most intelligent, hard working and crucial people in your country living here! That's why it is important!

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          #6.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 6:38 AM EDT
          {"commentId":7342566,"authorDomain":"rbhawk"}

          IMO75 -yeah like the improving of the parks paths by young people-sounds like the old summer jobs programs-Mr Obee thanks for spending my money and others on crap that can wait. Its like the bike path built around the city I live in, a portion of which no one would ride through because of massive chemical industry,and another section is so scary I wouldn go through without a mac 10,let alone allow a woman I know to ride it...stupid crap to spen money on.

          Maybe after we are bankrupt-all the money is gone,we are in debt never to emerge and cant afford nessisities,maybe then the foolishness will stop, I dont care if your conservative or liberal using tax money when we need to conserve on items like acorn,the snail darter,growing of cranberries,and giving federal money to make corn ethenol (which cost more than regular fuel to make and is made cheaper because your paying for it in tax subsities).

          Jholderread -I wish the people of Elkhart the best-but the best I think is down the road-wayyyyyyyyyyyy down the road.Being a Hoosier in the years past,I dont think there are harder working people in the country.

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            #6.3 - Fri May 29, 2009 7:51 AM EDT
            {"commentId":7381753,"authorDomain":"educationforindiana"}

            The president has been to Elkhart twice, but there has been little to show for it. Elkhart has finally gotten some of the "stimulus," but it is to help clean up nature reserves? Seriously? Someone tell me how this isn't "pork?"

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              #6.4 - Sun May 31, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":7333158,"authorDomain":"DOUG-94635"}

              elkhart isnt important unless you live there.. on a different note what has happened there is just a concentration of whats happened all over america. now useing elkhart as a model for dissaster, this is what happens when a economy is based on one industry. the only reason the lights are on in detroit is they are more diversified..

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                Reply#7 - Thu May 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT
                {"commentId":7342220,"authorDomain":"juju011"}

                Doug,

                Shame on you! In these times it is important for allof us to realize we are all important! You can't get to Detroit from the south without going through Elkhart county. And by the way, when I was there last summer, all I saw was sports, resteraunts and homeless. All of the diverse museums and other attractions, were all closed...No Lights

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                  #7.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 6:41 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":7336072,"authorDomain":"boats-001"}

                  What difference does it make if we hit bottom in the recession. If the economy just lays there on the bottom, like a dead cat what good is that?

                  I think it is fair to say that the trillion dollars that was paid out to special interest has not stimulated the economy. In fact it probably will make it worse in the long run. When will this administration be held to account for what they have done???? It is appalling.

                  Big Media take note, you have failed this nation miserably.

                  NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT and more, you should be ashamed of your selves for letting this happen.

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                    Reply#8 - Thu May 28, 2009 6:42 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":7336255,"authorDomain":"anytown"}

                    The people in Elkhart are struggling Americans, minus the illegals that have invaded just about every county in the US. That county could be any town USA. We need to become unified as a constituency with progressive thinking, educate ourselves (especially Doug, he can't spell a lick), and learn how to overcome adversity (i.e., China, Indian). Buy local, buy American! Candylyn 1975's trickle down economics don't work, but banks generally don't off shore customer interfacing (thank you Thomas Friedman for your book, The World is Flat), unlike the other industy giants looking to say a buck by employing non-American's, such as HP, Microsoft, large air lines, etc.

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                    Reply#9 - Thu May 28, 2009 6:53 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":7336283,"authorDomain":"rich-13"}

                    Whatever happened to those hundreds of billions of dollars going to "shovel ready projects?"  The people of Elkhart, like the rest of us are being bamboozled by a clueless Congress led by a charismatic man with zip experience-except for the training of Saul Alinsky.

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                      Reply#10 - Thu May 28, 2009 6:55 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":7342224,"authorDomain":"juju011"}

                      It is going to repave a private airport that hosts an annual airshow. Not even accesible to the public for under 5 grand a flight! That's where Elkhart's stimulous money is going. 4.2 mil of it at least!

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                        #10.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 6:43 AM EDT
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                        {"commentId":7337797,"authorDomain":"staffordr1"}

                        Frankly I never cared for all the hubbub about "Elkhart." You never heard of 'em when times were good, why hear about 'em now? They're entire economy collapsed? Well, who's fault is that? They get extra attention? Why, because they reflect the devastation of a one-industry town of around 51,000 people? Now they feel slighted because the economy hasnt rebounded to their liking and their waiting on Obama's "promise" of better times ahead, or haven't received the money they felt entitled too? Well, let it be a lesson to what a politican says. It sure made a good news clip anyway.

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                          Reply#11 - Thu May 28, 2009 8:26 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":7342233,"authorDomain":"juju011"}

                          You never heard of us because we never wanted you to. We are simple, humble people. You did hear about us during all of the hurricanes and other natural disasters. You know when we were housing people at tune of about one hundred per hour!!!!! The people of Elkhart have worked their tails off for people of this country. Stop saying we are not important. We are all important in this!

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                            #11.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 6:45 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":7423113,"authorDomain":"seilertechco"}

                            Tell me Mr. Rich in NY, what your "rich" in and how you got it? What do YOU do for a living? How do you provide for the needs of others?

                            Is this a "recession" because others are out of work and your not? It's a depression to those of us that don't have your "rich" life and are struggling because of no cash flow in business or unemployed. The real unemployment is much higher than reported because stats only account for those currently on unemployment. Nobody accounts for a 90% drop in small business revenue, people underemployed and that have exhausted benefits.

                            These economic problems are not the fault of the productive class, they are because of financial greed, which I consider to be the industry of NY. Madoff is the tip of an iceburg that has an effect of robbing capital from worthwhile ventures. No new investment will make America fail... for all citizens... and well beyond the 51,000 in Elkhart. Elkhart is just a symptom of a much larger sickness that even you, Mr. "rich" will not excape.

                            Entitlement is not the issue here and when the "no cash flow" issue is on knocking on your back door, your tune may change.

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                              #11.2 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:20 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":7337811,"authorDomain":"bobstemilt"}

                              I think that it is good news. 

                              And good news is what we need to make us feel good about the future. 

                              Thereby we spent, and retailers sell, and manufactures hire.

                              We have got to prime the pump with some good news for a change.

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                              Reply#12 - Thu May 28, 2009 8:28 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":7338792,"authorDomain":"zepton6"}

                              everyones talks about elkhart.but there still no work there.what about starting jobs in goshen in,

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                                Reply#13 - Thu May 28, 2009 9:41 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":7354789,"authorDomain":"juju011"}

                                I agree. While most of the jobs lost were actually based in Elkhart, soo many others lost out also. Middlebury, Bristol, Shipshewana, Nappannee, Wakarusa, Angola, Plymouth, All of Elkhart County and the surrounding areas were full of hard working men and women too! (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) I am pulling for us all!

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                                  #13.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 7:27 PM EDT
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                                  {"commentId":7339150,"authorDomain":"mk368"}

                                  I think Rich In NY has it right. I live in IN and have worked in the rv industry, Elkhart isn't being the brunt of the economy, they just weren't smart enough to be diverse. Besides they want $25,000. for something that was built on piecework and is really just a bunch of "@!$%#" slapped together that won't last long enough for you to get any satisfaction from the product.

                                  Since I'm on my soapbox.......... why is it that everyone always wants to blame someone or something for their tough luck, when in reality we all made decisions in our lives that brought us to where we are.......... if all the further you can see into your future is the end of your nose, then you deserve to be without a job!!!!!

                                  To JC,.... in the state if IN , most of the "ILLEGALS" live in Elkhart county

                                  and to John 1129347 who has not worked in 7 yrs.......... get off your lazy ass and get a job..........I'm tired of carrying your ass, which I'm willing to bet is a FAT ASS to boot!!!!!

                                  Hey I'm here all week................. is their anybody out there with any intelligence at all ????????????????????

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                                    Reply#14 - Thu May 28, 2009 10:11 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":7339944,"authorDomain":"hj6141"}

                                    Ouch. That's a bit harsh. I also live and work in Indiana. I have friends who have lost their jobs in manufacturing as well as other more diverse industries. I think that showing how this downturn affects real people makes the news hit home for those of us who are not close to people who struggle daily with these issues. I think it is cool that MSNBC chose a smaller town to profile and one in Indiana may help our state get noticed when it comes to companies still wanting to invest in America.

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                                      #14.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 11:19 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":7341731,"authorDomain":"D2theLux"}

                                      Wow, you sound like a total jackass. Just because someone hasn't worked in 7 years doesn't mean that they are definitely a "lazy fat ass." Some people can't work because of medical issues or other disabilities. My dad had a stroke back in December and he hasn't been able to return to work or even drive since. The doctor told him he probably won't be able to work or drive again.

                                      I don't get why you have to type "fat ass" in all caps. Is that supposed to imply hatred for fat people and that you think you are better than them? In case you haven't noticed you live in the fattest country in the world. So if you can't tolerate overweight people maybe you should go somewhere else because you will definitely see fat people in this country.

                                      And yes, there is someone out there who has intelligence.. I'm right here!

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                                        #14.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 2:58 AM EDT
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                                        {"commentId":7339383,"authorDomain":"paulcallanan"}

                                        Wait till you see the after affects of the Automotive industry downturn......Those affects are going to rock the Americas......Starting now, ending when, 2015-2020?

                                        Wake up America. Or it's Buy, Buy America!

                                        Oh! Mybad!

                                        I meant Bye, Bye America!

                                        We cannot continue to FINANCE THE WORLD, by just buying, (and throwing away), everybody elses products!

                                        We need to make something!

                                        All we are making now is $$$$ for the profitering politicians, who are laughing all the way into comfortable prosperity and luxurious retirement. AT OUR EXPENSE!

                                        When are we going to be as bold as our countries founding fathers and step up and SPEAK OUT? We have the best systems, the easiest and fastest methods of communication, yet we do not even e-mail our elected officials, harrassing them, to comply to our wishes.

                                        We should all be ashamed.

                                        We should all get busy, and get the e-mails addresses of our elected con men and harass them into DOING THEIR JOBS! How much of our precious time would that take? Give it 20 minutes a day, if we all did it, we would overwhelm the system. They would have to listen.

                                        Rant is over, thanks for listening, PICK UP YOUR KEY BOARD AND COMMUNICATE!

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                                          Reply#15 - Thu May 28, 2009 10:29 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":7339699,"authorDomain":"mauricio-c"}

                                          The wonder of it all is that compared to most parts of the world today, Elkhart is still a paradise city. We have to start giving thanks for what we have, lest that be taken away as well.

                                          Giving thanks in a community does not involve bickering about what was lost, but preserving and building on what we have.

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                                          Reply#16 - Thu May 28, 2009 10:58 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":7342239,"authorDomain":"juju011"}

                                          Wonderfully put! We are a great city.

                                          I urge the rest of the nation to come and take a look at our lakes, parks, and people!

                                          Elkhart is not dead...just being awakened!

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                                          #16.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 6:48 AM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":7340301,"authorDomain":"wjesswheel"}

                                          America is a mess. where do you start? the most corrupt  people in america are politicians. obama is bailing out the auto indusry for payback for electing him. the  medical  and insurance industries are corrupt. they buy off senators and congressmen to keep healthcare private  just to make  obscene amounts of money. One of the only sectors of manufacturing booming  now is gun and ammo manufacturing. taxes are crazy wait till we start paying the added value tax. Its Tea Party time my friends. buy the way Cinton passed NAFTA thats where all your jobs went .everybody made fun of Ross Perot, He was the smartest one out of the bunch. Remember when he said a gigant sucking sound of all are jobs going across the border. At last would personally like to say thanks to all the bozos out there who elected this clown. You cant give money away to get yourself out of debt . what happened to the old fashion way of getting it? its called earning it. Make your senators and congressmen be accountable.

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                                          Reply#17 - Thu May 28, 2009 11:48 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":7423378,"authorDomain":"seilertechco"}

                                          Look at the policy of local officials first. In Fulton County one County Commissioner and the Purdue Extension agent (Plan Commission President) stated they wanted to eleminate underfunded development. Imagine a local policy of have zoning officials determine who has adaquite funds to develop a new business. It's arbitrary, capricious and designed to prevent start up business (except the hand picked favorites).

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                                            #17.1 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:34 PM EDT
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                                            {"commentId":7341961,"authorDomain":"BrownSugar"}

                                            The next big global warming incident to hit, will be when all the electric generators have to go on overdrive because of all the people using hair dryers to take their Obama bumper sticker off their car.

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                                              Reply#18 - Fri May 29, 2009 4:22 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":7342431,"authorDomain":"bevop2008"}

                                              Elkhart is not a bad place to live. Elkhart county is a beautiful mix of town and farm land. Times are tough but not impossible. Unemployment is very high but there are jobs out there - most are part time and low wage but the incredibly high number of applicants for them indicates a population that wants to work. What people don't realize is that the RV industry hasn't been the only "player" in town - Elkhart has one of the largest railroad yards in the country, manufacturers that have traditionally provided products for both the RV and auto industries (glass, seats, cabinets, electronic components, etc), truck cap/cover manufacturers, several manufacturers of utility and work trailers and a large healthcare system. Elkhart's economy isn't based on solely one or two major RV manufacturers.

                                              Yes, its sad to drive around and see vacant houses. But a recent trip to the Indianapolis area proved to me that the problem is more widespread than just in Elkhart - I saw the same in other towns and cities. The people of Indiana still have the spirit, the faith, the desire to help each other, to work through the tough times and to thrive even when life is rough. Some will leave. Some will stay. Some will stay and complain no matter what. That's how people are.

                                              I haven't given up. Yes I've taken a pay cut. Yes I've seen the cost of utilities and food and gas go through the roof. Yes I've seen scores of vacant houses with tall grass and yellow city stickers on the front doors. But I've seen neighbors mowing others yards for free and people taking food and clothing to those in need. Life is a circle that turns slowly - what has been will be again.

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                                                Reply#19 - Fri May 29, 2009 7:31 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":7343203,"authorDomain":"Traffic-fanatic"}

                                                Elkhart should begin teaching the area residents how to drive. It is the worst in America. In an area where a speed limit might be posted at 35 mph, most Elkhart residents drive anywhere between 20 and 30 mph, with a cell phone stuck in one ear. It's terrible.

                                                And the County / City manager should be fired the way the traffic lights are set up. So not only does the area have an abundant supply of limited capacity drivers, the traffic flow is lousy as well. It takes 45 minutes to get through Elkhart & Goshen.

                                                The new overpass on CR 17 - "No Turn On Red" - whose brilliant idea was this?

                                                How about some coordination of stop lights where you actually might not get stopped by every one?

                                                How about the use of flashing red & yellow lights (maybe at Wilden and the off ramp of CR 17 overpass) that wouldn't leave cars sitting for days waiting for a light to change when there is absolutely "0" cars coming from cross directions.

                                                How advancing into this century with traffic patterns!

                                                How about making it illegal to use a cell phone while driving which I consider just as dangerous to me as 2nd hand smoke I might have encountered until it was banned. I am a non-smoker, BTW.

                                                How about doing some research how cities and counties should be run - instead of taking directions from early Mayberry RFD reruns.

                                                I'm afraid Elkhart is a long way from being the same as other cities and counties - just like the RV business which it supports - there is no quality in the government leadership.

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                                                  Reply#20 - Fri May 29, 2009 8:54 AM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":7347515,"authorDomain":"duffinatur"}

                                                  Traffic-fanatic,

                                                  I'm afraid you haven't seen the big picture here. Elkhart and the surrounding area have been growing steadily for the last 10-15years. Development was geared towards avoiding traffic congestion during peak hours. You know, like when we busted butt and manufactured all those FEMA homes for hurricane relief...(not a small feat considering the numbers produced in such a miniscule timeframe)

                                                  The original home of Alka-Seltzer, and a big Miles/Bayer plant, not just RV's and Amish homesteaders, we're part of a larger grouping of cities including Goshen, Mishawaka, South Bend and Niles, MI.

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                                                    #20.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":7355896,"authorDomain":"Traffic-fanatic"}

                                                    And your point is...??? The area is one of the worst laid out - worst to travel through for being such a little podunk area - it's a disaster.

                                                    Are those the Formaldehyde laced death traps your area sent to New Orleans you are referring to? Are those an accomplishment or an embarrassment?

                                                    The area is still in awe of Daylight Savings Time ... Elkhart needs to move forward in so many areas -

                                                    I know the area - I've had plenty of time to get acquainted while stuck at RR crossings or the 1000000 stop lights you have.

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                                                      #20.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 8:57 PM EDT
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                                                      {"commentId":7343367,"authorDomain":"lhalstead"}

                                                      Thank the oil speculators and the liberals for trashing the RV industry through riduculous spikes in oil and gasoline prices last year. Now that summer is here the speculators are trying to use an "improving economy" as the impetus to drive the prices higher again. Pelosi wants us to be "responsible" and pay higher taxes and higher energy costs to pay for the environmental damage we create. (Hey Nancy, quit exhaling then!) Obama is going to tax the heck out of our energy so we'll have to buy his Fiat and eco-cars. Rep. Waxman wants us all to pay through the nose for energy. Pretty soon the entire country is going to look like Elkhart. Thanks for the change B.O. (not!) and for wiping out any hope.

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                                                      Reply#21 - Fri May 29, 2009 9:05 AM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":7393791,"authorDomain":"crtimke"}

                                                      I do not live in Elkhart County but I work there and I must say that I am very distressed at many peoples reactions to this problem. Name calling and backstabbing is not going to solve this situation. Elkhart is an average town in the US with average people trying to make a living. If you needed a job and were offered one in the RV industry you would not turn down a chance to pay your bills and feed your family just because Elkhart was not diversified. Most people do not sit at home and worry about what type of industry is in their community, they worry about their own problems. Most people in Elkhart are just trying to get by, and many like myself are trying to help out their community as best they can. I spearhead fundraisers every month to raise money, food, and clothing to help those who need it. I have a brother and 2 sons who are currently laid off from the RV industry and do everything I can to help them so that they are not dependant upon the goverment or other taxpayers. My husband has a small Hobby Shop and we had hoped that when the economy began it's downward spiral and less people were traveling that people would go back to more simpler times when you spent your vacations with your families and spent time playing games or building models or flying kites with your kids. But that did not happen. People spent what little money they had on Nitendo Wii's and bought games for their kids to play on one TV while they watch TV in another room. Alas my husband is closing his Hobby Shop today. So while I tighten my belt just a little more, I will continue to help my family and other people in my community as best I can because as hard as this economy is effecting myself and my family I will not call anyone names or backstab anyone for the situation we are in. I am still proud of my country and still PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN.

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                                                        Reply#22 - Mon Jun 1, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":7402018,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}

                                                        Elkhart IS every other town in the USA. Its just NO ONE SEE's it. Not obama and his flunkys. My town doubled in unemployment in 5 months.

                                                        They keep preaching green jobs, Where the F are they. I'll TELL YOU, its nothing but a obama pipe dream..

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                                                        #22.1 - Mon Jun 1, 2009 8:23 PM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":7401948,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}

                                                        If misinfonbc says its getting better, then by gumment it has to be getting better.  1 job with how much stimulus money???  WOW couldnt come up with a better job plan?  Getting rid of mustard weed is a priorority though.  Mabey it takes 2 people instead of 1???  That would turn thier lives around in Elkhart.

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                                                        Reply#23 - Mon Jun 1, 2009 8:18 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":7423653,"authorDomain":"seilertechco"}

                                                        I was hoping for trickle down, but don't know the guy.

                                                        The only thing "stimulated" are banks, who are bidding up oil futures with their billions, causing gas prices to rise again.

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                                                          #23.1 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:50 PM EDT
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                                                          {"commentId":7411959,"authorDomain":"franroads"}

                                                          We can all do something about the economy even if the politicians won't. If 200 milliion americans refused to by just $20.00 worth of goods from China that they usualy buy there would be a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor. Many people are implementing this from June 4-July 4. Try it for one month. We may find that American made goods are not only safer and healthier, they are not that much more expensive. Look for 'made in China, Hong Kong or PRC on the product. Then buy American. Lets get something done to help our nation! The few cents extra we may have to pay for a product may put an American back to work, who then can buy the goods or services that you can provide.

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                                                            Reply#24 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":7622780,"authorDomain":"desertrat"}

                                                            I work in Iraq and see TONS of products out of Turkey which are purchased to support the United States military. Also in Afghanistan! So why is it that American companies cannot supply this effort? Why haven't they tried? If I had an investor who wanted to form an alliance in hopes of detouring Turkey products whilst replacing with American, I am a good solid leader to help this happen, just let me know! For all the billions we have wasted in the Middle East, why not try to get some of that back? As for the infrastructure rebuilding in Iraq, I only see (oil companies) take advantage of this, but the other needs in the country are being met with force from countries other than the good old USA. Come on troopers!! Get off the obama train and let's start a NEW way to start earning our dollars back. Americans need to think about and learn from our past, not giving into what our government "tells" us to do. We are the strongest and most inventive country in the world!! Let's keep it that way!!!! Signed by a former Marine.

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                                                              Reply#25 - Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:58 AM EDT
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