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Nightly News visits Elkhart

NBC's Kevin Tibbles reported on Elkhart on Monday's Nightly News with Brian Williams, saying that while the county has put most of its eggs in the RV basket, it's been here before.

Tibbles also talked to laid-off RV worker Ed Neufeldt and his family. Tibbles closes his report saying families are "pulling together in a community that might be down, but certainly isn't out."

What did you think of the NBC report? Share your feedback below.

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{"commentId":7153881,"authorDomain":"peanuts044"}

I'm so sick of seeing articles about this town.  It's tough everywhere - have you ever thought about highlighting the problems in other cities? 

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Reply#1 - Mon May 18, 2009 9:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":7158320,"authorDomain":"MrMoneyBags"}

Ditto, I must agree 100%

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#1.1 - Tue May 19, 2009 8:54 AM EDT
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No, you idiot...did you read the purpose of the project? It's to pick one city that is representative of struggles across the country and take a closer look at the impact of the recession on a more personal level. They're not trying to say, "Look how bad it is here in Elkhart, IN compared to the rest of the country", they're saying "This is how it is in most small-town American communities". Get informed before you get on your soap box.

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#1.2 - Tue May 19, 2009 9:01 AM EDT
{"commentId":7158526,"authorDomain":"bbullion"}

Elkart may be in trouble, however, it is not the ONLY "small town America" that is reeling from this recession.

Just up the road a bit to the EAST, is a little city we used to call the "MOTOR City", or "CAR City", now it is just Detroit. The most recent thing being exported out of Detroit are jobs, and Kilpatrick!!

Now--using Elkart as an example, do we see any future in Detroit either?

I live in a little city called Lansing, MI and this town was built by the factories of GM. Now that we are in this recession, this city is losing populace daily. Some are even moving to Indiana, more work there. So please forgive me if my heart does not bleed too much for Elkart, IN ---

Michigan is full of them!!!

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#1.3 - Tue May 19, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
{"commentId":7159043,"authorDomain":"kurt-m-warner"}

It's too bad for the town, I understand all too well. The Town that I grew up in was a glass industry,a majority of them closed in the 70's, too bad we didn't have someone in Government as big or close to our President, maybe our town would have gotten some attention, now the town is run by gangs. I think the President is doing the best he can with the mess he was left with. The reporters need only look passed Indy to find, Hundreds of towns are folding.They can start by looking in Millville N.J.

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    #1.4 - Tue May 19, 2009 9:47 AM EDT
    {"commentId":7161503,"authorDomain":"vpardini"}

    Agree with NOLAGRL. Elkhart was chosen as a representative town of what is happening all across the US, thus the Elkhart Project.

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      #1.5 - Tue May 19, 2009 12:02 PM EDT
      {"commentId":7219052,"authorDomain":"mac-chisolm"}

      As much as they charge for RV's and you wonder why Elkhart doesn't seem to prosper???? CEO pay, executive pay, college edumicated dumbass pay. The backbone of Elkhart deserves the paycheck not the CEO. Bring the prices down on RV's and you'll send a CEO packing.

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      #1.6 - Thu May 21, 2009 5:53 PM EDT
      {"commentId":7275746,"authorDomain":"tang"}

      NOLAGRL is correct. We selected Elkhart because so much of the news focuses on big cities with big industries. Elkhart was chosen because we wanted to study a microcosm of what is happening in the small towns across the country.

      Cheers,

      Calvin

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      #1.7 - Mon May 25, 2009 11:20 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":7155375,"authorDomain":"winsettz"}

      I think the idea was to go into greater in depth detail with one city. and they picked one with the most problems...with the idea of illustrating that this is as bad as it gets, to shock the complacent into seeing the true effects of disaster, and on the other hand to show others that it could be worse. And if Elkhart recovers, it will provide Americans with a glimmer of hope.

      We are far from the happy optimistic stuff of course. But we are Americans.

      "We will win through, no matter the cost!"

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        Reply#2 - Mon May 18, 2009 11:58 PM EDT
        {"commentId":7155830,"authorDomain":"prettyfaced-girl"}

        Unbelievable! What type of "human-being" would make such a comment. Everyone has been affected by the recession! Americans should NEVER get tired of hearing about other American families that are without jobs, food and shelter. The fall of the RV industry is a BIG DEAL because the community that is has affected is small in comparison to the world scale, but big to those who live in Elkhart, Goshen and surrounding cities. MSNBC HAS covered the crisis of financial strife in SEVERAL American cities. Elkhart just happens to be one of many! Have a heart...show some compassion, YOU WOULD WANT THE SAME!

        GOD BLESS YOU KATE!

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          Reply#3 - Tue May 19, 2009 12:53 AM EDT
          {"commentId":7156063,"authorDomain":"jamesczoch"}

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          I am a resided of Elkhart Indiana.Over the past 59 years of living here, I have watched and helped this town recover from several disasters and economic recessions.

          Although Elkhart is known as the RV Capital, we had been known as the Band Instrument Capital and listed as “The most millionaires per capita”.

          One thing I am sure of is this town has the stamina to recover. Elkhart has always came through adverse situations and emerged in the forefront of recovery well ahead of the nation. Elkhart is a bellwether of economic health, probably due to the overwhelming amount of indigenous entrepreneurial spirit.

          “Leave¿”, now is when you want to come.

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          Reply#4 - Tue May 19, 2009 1:23 AM EDT
          {"commentId":7156196,"authorDomain":"jas196929"}
          jason-1110817Deleted
          {"commentId":7156219,"authorDomain":"jas196929"}

          OH 'bye' the way should been by .my bad

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            Reply#6 - Tue May 19, 2009 1:51 AM EDT
            {"commentId":7157939,"authorDomain":"sauers-ted"}

            Hang on, it will get worse. Obama promised everyone free money, housing,to get there vote. Still glad you voted for him?

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              Reply#7 - Tue May 19, 2009 8:23 AM EDT
              {"commentId":7159105,"authorDomain":"kilbykevin"}

              sounds like it is an agenda thing for the media, this is how they operate, while bombarding you with the news of elkhart, they go look for another top story to drown this one out, and if not, they will keep telling you the same thing over and over again, and people are fed up with it. All they want to report any way is oppression,depression,recession,death destruction,hype,gore,and political correctness!!!!!!!!

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                Reply#8 - Tue May 19, 2009 9:51 AM EDT
                {"commentId":7275782,"authorDomain":"tang"}

                Hello. Actually, we won't be "drowning" this story out anytime soon. We've made a commitment to cover Elkhart through the ups and downs for at least a year. I agree that it is sometimes annoying to be bombarded by the same story over and over - but the annoyance (for me) usually stems from the fact that the coverage consists of hardly more than a 15 second sound byte. We chose to cover Elkhart for a long duration so that we're not just sensationalizing one moment in the town's journey, but telling a tale. Y'know, we may not have much to say for a few weeks/months, or - there may be a lot to tell. Either way, we're committed to going deep into telling the tale of this US city, rather than serving up a bunch of data/stats from across the country, that don't really tell the true story of what's happening to real people on the ground. I hope this explanation helps to explain the coverage, and we're happy to hear feedback from all of you.

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                #8.1 - Mon May 25, 2009 11:24 PM EDT
                {"commentId":7282086,"authorDomain":"gary922"}

                Great journalism.  You are absolutely right that too often we just hear a few facts, a quick story, and then that's it.  There is no attempt to understand what is happening and why.  I hate those stories that just flash by the screen and then they are never heard from again.  Keep it up!

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                  #8.2 - Tue May 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":7324725,"authorDomain":"dmpasserallo"}

                  Calvin, thank you from an Elkhart resident. The ride ain't over yet here - bad news yesterday on the Monaco/Navistart deal - but we will figure it out. Again, thanks for caring.

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                    #8.3 - Thu May 28, 2009 9:39 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":7159252,"authorDomain":"steelcpa2"}

                    I have lived in Elkhart almost my entire life and we have a very fine community, however, unfortunately our economy has always been very much up and down (much more than the national economy). I am glad to see the spotlight on our community which hopefully will lead to other industry opportunities for our area to replace some that were taken from us (Miles Labs-inventors of Alka-Seltzer that was moved to Puerto Rico due to tax benefits). Also, to all the people commenting about the plight of the workers in the state of Michigan, I understand and are sympathetic with you also, however, I am not aware of the government throwing billions of dollars to bail out the RV industry the way they are the automotive industry. We are having to basically go it alone without government help (for now) and we will succeed. Thank you.

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                    Reply#9 - Tue May 19, 2009 10:01 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":7275798,"authorDomain":"tang"}

                    HI steelcpa,

                    Thanks for your input. Have you been in touch with any of our folks on the ground there in Elkhart yet? (I assume you still live there)

                    If not, we'd be happy to hear from you. Feel free to drop any of us a line, by using the "contact author" form on our profile pages.

                    Cheers,

                    Calvin

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                    #9.1 - Mon May 25, 2009 11:26 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":7159277,"authorDomain":"miguel-n-p"}

                    This could possibly be just the tip of the a HUGE iceberg if GM goes into bankruptcy.

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                      Reply#10 - Tue May 19, 2009 10:02 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":7159868,"authorDomain":"gguzman"}

                      Well, many issues here and don't know where to start. I live near a big midwestern city and I thought that places like Elkhart was the norm, sub-par conditions in some places and those with no other means of support and education, what does one really expect of them in troubled times? Don't want to offend but in a nutshell, NO matter where you live, it's been vice, corruption and greed that has hurt those in need and sad to say it's part of world history to say the least. No one is immune to that. Also If most of these people don't have good education, and moral support from family and friends, don't expect them to change, they will still be complaining rednecks looking for handouts! Ok getting away from the overall point, sorry! Essentially what has happen is that corporate greed and political favors has put our economy in a strain, capitalism at it's worst! Where I live, nothing has really changed that much other then hearing it from the news or websites. Stop whining America and find the means and way to make things work, I'm sure if our ancestors looked upon us, they will simply laugh based on how easy we have it compared to them!!! When it's all said and done, wait another 50 to 60 yrs and it will happen again and Elkhart will still be the same!

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                        Reply#11 - Tue May 19, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":7160157,"authorDomain":"gino67ss"}

                        I see someone mentioned GM above. I think it stinks that "WE" (government, people of the US, taxpayers) give tham a bail out because if not GM will go bankrupt and we will lose all of those jobs. Now thay are going to import cars from CHINA!!! What about saving all those jobs. I think WE should demand our money back and let them fold.

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                          Reply#12 - Tue May 19, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":7160180,"authorDomain":"jgreg9"}

                          "At Kramerica, it's business as usual."

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                            Reply#13 - Tue May 19, 2009 10:53 AM EDT
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                            {"commentId":7160219,"authorDomain":"MyPlanB"}

                            It is really sad to see what is happening here in Elkhart and all the other areas that have really been hit hard by the ecomomy. Like the mayor said in one of his interviews years ago we had lots of home owned bsuinesses. He said they have all gone away. I think it is TIME to RETHINK this idea of HOME OWNED BUSINESSES. Why not have a Plan B income that we build for ourselves from our own home that WE HAVE CONTROL over. We could do it on the side part-time or if we can't find a 9-5 job even do it full-time. The point is you won't lay off yourself. We could build something that has the potential for us here in the Elkhart area and something that could branch out into other areas of the US that haven't been hit as hard with the ecomny.

                            I know many have put their whole life into the RV or related industry and now have nothing. The key is to also look for something that you will have control over yourself that you can build right from your own home that can't be taken away from you again. That is my plan! Good luck to all of you out there.

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                              Reply#14 - Tue May 19, 2009 10:55 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":7160263,"authorDomain":"demekos"}

                              Who cares! If you were making 2k a week and lived from paycheck to paycheck perhaps they should read the "Ant and the Grashopper." I suppose they can read. I have no sympathy for people who cause their own problems and they look for help from others. Should have saved when you had the chance!!!!

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                              Reply#15 - Tue May 19, 2009 10:57 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":7275860,"authorDomain":"tang"}

                              Many people *did* save, not just in Elkhart, but around the world. Think of how many retirement accounts got wiped out. And, I'm not talking about risky speculation in the stock market, I'm talking about bonds and other "conservative" investments that just tanked. It's hard to point the finger, but I found this video to do a pretty good job of putting it all into perspective in plain English:

                              http://vimeo.com/3261363

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                                #15.1 - Mon May 25, 2009 11:32 PM EDT
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                                {"commentId":7160353,"authorDomain":"clearmountain"}

                                Sick of the story How about Mena AR still in rubble or Fargo/Moorehead still buried in sandbags and recovery. This is hardly the most seriously distressed community in the country. And will not be the last. Get over it and move on.

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                                Reply#16 - Tue May 19, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":7160365,"authorDomain":"rick-69"}

                                I do not know of any town that doesn't have tough now. The big picture has to be looked at as to why this economy has tanked. I think there is alot of blame to go around but I think you 1st have to look at government causing alot of the problem whether it is through taxation or regulation both have a negative impact on business. Government needs to get out of the way of privated enterprise. Next is unions, unions have driven up the cost of the end product so much that they cannot compete with other countries. This has been done through high wages and perks and the fact that it has turned the union worker into a very lazy individual. I was brought up on a farm and was taught to pitch in where ever help was needed. I went to work for Ford's when I was 21 & figured out real quick one of the main reasons auto's cost so much. The union worders goal was not the end product it was his own particular classification, which I also believe turned them into very selfish people. The other problem is greed for money and/or power. The other problem is us, we have a tendancy to go along with these programs because we think we will get something for nothing. This is false thinking somebody always has to pay.

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                                  Reply#17 - Tue May 19, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
                                  {"commentId":7160954,"authorDomain":"rgeiwitz"}

                                  I'm tired of hearing about everybody losing their jobs now. I didn't see any of you screaming when the manufacturing industry left or when IT industry had their jobs outsourced. It was OK for those people to lose their jobs but it is not OK when the car industry does. Well welcome to the real world. This is just one of many industries that have been hit hard but it is one of two that our govenment is trying to bail out so consider yourself lucky.

                                  No more tears just grin and bare it like the rest have done in the past and survived.

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                                    Reply#18 - Tue May 19, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
                                    {"commentId":7161390,"authorDomain":"pcav2001"}

                                    Please stop talking about it. I was tired of it the same day it came out. There are problems like that in a number of smaller communities across the country.  It appears that it must have been a slow newsday for someone to assign this piece of junk. Pat

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                                    Reply#19 - Tue May 19, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
                                    {"commentId":7162054,"authorDomain":"ddlabarre"}

                                    The residents of OF ELKHART are an inspiration to the rest of the nation by showing that no matter how bad thetime are or the economy gets ,even though most of them lost a lot. They are not giving up ,that there is hope, and that times will get better for them and the nation. We should all be proud of them and our nation. Times will get better, and sooner than we think.

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                                      Reply#20 - Tue May 19, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":7162238,"authorDomain":"sdennison"}

                                      As I said in a note to the Whitehouse, this town should be converted to making modular housing for those in need, Veterans, Native Americans, homeless, etc. The industry, tooling, and skills exist already. No mobile homes, no RV's, actual housing. Fund a project like that before reworking the rail system.

                                      There's a rescue plan for a city and industry that will benefit society.

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                                        Reply#21 - Tue May 19, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":7162471,"authorDomain":"gguzman"}

                                        In a quick buck ($) culture, highly un-likely !!! There's no money in it. Great idea but the big wigs and deep pockets people, would say, "Where's the wealth in it"!

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                                          #21.1 - Tue May 19, 2009 12:44 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":7162924,"authorDomain":"sdennison"}

                                          Kind of thought along the ideas of the Hoover Dam type projects that put people to work and helped society as a whole. Federally funded of course but that's what I thought the Administration was looking to do...

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                                            #21.2 - Tue May 19, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":7185887,"authorDomain":"gguzman"}

                                            I think that idea is reserved for the new energy projects, like solar and wind energy, whenever it gets rolling nationwide? Still need to convince the nay sayers!

                                            Fingers crossed.

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                                              #21.3 - Wed May 20, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":7186133,"authorDomain":"lorrie-krebs"}

                                              Wait...you wrote a note to the Whitehouse?? As in THE White House? Ambitious.

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                                                #21.4 - Wed May 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":7188909,"authorDomain":"jamesczoch"}

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                                                Scott is right about localities applying appropriate resources, both financial and labor force capabilities to restructure our local and national economy. In my opinion, restructuring needs to begin with functional governance, in order to prevent a similar economic scenario taking place in the future.

                                                I believe that the dotcom stock, Conseco, WorldCom, Enron and now Chrysler debacles are all the result of Allen Greenspan’s failure by having allowed the great depression era securities act to expire in the early 1990’s. This act was instituted to prevented banks from participating in selling or trading of stocks and securities.

                                                I would like to believe that our financial institutions as a whole (banks, insurance & trading firms) are respectable, honest, and trustworthy. But on two occasions now, they have proven themselves to be morally bankrupt. Permanent government action needs to be imposed; we need to recognize that our failures affect the world economically and the risks of conflict are too great.

                                                By the way Scott, all of the manufacturers of ”mobile homes” (a term that the industry has been trying to shed) produce modular homes, many have their corporate headquarters located here in Elkhart. Moreover, several manufacturers such as Skyline, Coachmen and Fairmont also manufacture RV’s. In the case of Fairmont/Gulfstream, they are going to be converting Chevrolet pickup trucks to highbred electric vehicles next year.

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                                                  #21.5 - Wed May 20, 2009 2:45 PM EDT
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                                                  {"commentId":7162670,"authorDomain":"ronaldp"}

                                                  Dumb idea to pick a single city as a representative city. It seems to me that the US is a little too big for that. I recognize that Elkhart and its citizens are going through a tough time, but we all are. How are some of the towns in the southwest faring? The west coast? The southeast? As far as Elkhart goes, I think I have a pretty good handle on that city.

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                                                    Reply#22 - Tue May 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":7165380,"authorDomain":"gatman01"}

                                                    For those that still don’t understand why Elkhart was chosen. First of all Obama visited often, there are political connections there. As for a simpler analogy, if a person falls down ill, for no reason we usually check there pulse. Well Elkhart is that pulse for many reason. First and foremost Disposable income, if people in the country have it, Elkhart receives a certain percentage every year.

                                                    Elkhart credit markets are first to react or to recover. Ah yes the recovery be careful to keep your eyes on both hands of this magic trick. On one hand Elkhart is doing ok, you know the one owned by the banks that would never loan to the high risk market customer in the first place. And on the other hand the majority of Americans that live and work not just in Elkhart the ability to be given a chance at fair credit products that they can afford, not programs or products designed to make them pay for the Banks broken lending practices.

                                                    Banks Should no longer be allowed to create separate banks just to handle different class customers, this has lead to a very discriminatory practice, that manipulates the system and exploits people who can least afford outrages interest rates or terms that customers have no other loans or programs to chose from. This type of discrimination transcends Race, Age, and Sex. It is the one type of discrimination not protected from in the constitution directly. Equal access to credit would force lenders to take responsibly for the loans they give and blame no one else, or make others pay for their mistakes (except their investors) if the customer defaults.

                                                    Sorry (Main Street) Banks and Big Insurance Company (Bank in hiding), Open your books for the last 30 years how much did you suck out of hard working Americans. Now you are in trouble, cry me a river. I know what you would tell me if I walked in your office and said “I worked hard for 30 years, now I am in financial trouble I never set anything back for a rainy day.”

                                                    I would have been shown out to sidewalk, while a loud Laughter could be heard from your office.

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                                                    Reply#23 - Tue May 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":7183319,"authorDomain":"amanda-ramos"}

                                                    Vince- Finally someone has explaned it to all the misguided and self-centered folks! We are Americans and we need to stick together! If you don't want to hear about Elkhart then stop watching or reading about it. We are all going thru difficult times and the only way to get thru it is to stick together. Thank you Vince for taking the time to write what you wrote. God Bless!

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                                                      #23.1 - Wed May 20, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":7275878,"authorDomain":"tang"}

                                                      Excellent comment, Vince. Glad to have you here.

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                                                        #23.2 - Mon May 25, 2009 11:35 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":7283102,"authorDomain":"smileguycass"}

                                                        As a resident 10 miles to the north of the city, I definitely attest to the impact not only on the city but the whole area in general. Another reason I believe Elkhart and its RV dependent economy was chosen was that no one can blame the "greedy lazy" union employees or the RV companies for the downturn of the local economy. The collapse of RV sales is due chiefly to gas prices and the credit crunch, neither of which RV manufacturers or its employees had any control over.

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                                                        #23.3 - Tue May 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":7185697,"authorDomain":"Red-In-Phoenix"}

                                                        NOLAGIRL and winsettz got it 100% right. 

                                                         

                                                        I think Elkhart is the perfect example for our nation and I am glad to be reading about that beautiful town.

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                                                          Reply#24 - Wed May 20, 2009 12:43 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":7187411,"authorDomain":"notimeforcutenames"}

                                                          Hearing many of the stories from Elkhart convinced me more there are two Americas - ignorant, and informed. I'll let you decide where Elkhart fits, but you have to feel little sympathy for a population that seems built on an industry that clearly had no real future. How can an intelligent individual really be so naive to think that world truly sustainable? Well they can't. And if they can't, there really is no point in highlighting or pondering their self-created misery and plight as NBC has done. Now the citizens from Elkhart are grabbing onto yet another naive notion that Obama will save them. They're belly-aching that salvation hasn't come quick enough. Come on think will ya. That America really needs to stop their silly whining and fall in line with the other America that thinks. Period.

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                                                            Reply#25 - Wed May 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":7197967,"authorDomain":"dmpasserallo"}

                                                            Gee, there is so much bitterness on the boards about the plight of Elkhart. As a taxpaying, small business owner here, I would like to say that the citizens of this town did NOT ask the president or anyone else to pitch us into the lime light and cause the rest of America to hate us. And it wasn't just RV - we supplied the auto industry, too, and they got a bailout that did no good! Miles Labs bailed for Mexico, and God knows what happend to the band instrument industry here - it is no more. For the record, it hasn't done anyone here a bit of good. Valmont is closing it's doors in June, Performance Plastics and Indalex just shut down, the big ones fell and us poor little suckers are still trying to hang on. Yet Air Force One keeps showing up (Notre Dame on Sunday) and costing this area more and more money. He could have at least paid the tab for his own security. No one I know believes ANY government official will save us. The President needs to stay in DC and do what work he was hired for -fix this mess in the whole country - and quit campaigning in Elkhart.

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                                                              Reply#26 - Wed May 20, 2009 8:37 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":7199977,"authorDomain":"notimeforcutenames"}

                                                              Debbe P,

                                                              I wanted to respond to your "bitterness" claim, as I may have been one of the respondents you were referring to. I take offense. That word might better be replaced with "honesty." Elkhart, and similar cities and its citizens in similar positions need some more honest self-reflection. It's easy to run away and dismiss these comments as merely caustic attacks but I expect if the Elkharts of this country don't take these criticisms to heart they'll be making the same stupid decisions all over again. Facing the truth can be incredibly difficult, but that's how you get better.

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                                                                #26.1 - Wed May 20, 2009 10:37 PM EDT
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