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Teens cutting back on prom costs

For many teens across the United States, it's the start of the all-important prom season. With dresses, limos, corsages and after-parties, the cost of the special night has always been a consideration for parents. But in these tough economic times, families are even more conscious about their financial priorities.

Daniel Reynolds, owner of Stephenson's of Elkhart, said lowering his prices 5 to 10 percent has helped spur sales. "We order dresses a year in advance, and when the economy went the way it did, I thought 'Uh-oh, I ordered too many dresses.'"

NBC's Rehema Ellis recently reported on how one community in Connecticut got together to help students of New Milford High School. Local businesses and residents donated mostly pre-owned party wear. Teachers set up "shop" in one classroom and then let students decide how much they wanted to pay for their dresses.

What are you doing? We will be reporting on the proms in Elkhart, as well as the national trend. But what about you? Are you, your kids, your friends, or your school getting creative about cutting on prom costs? Share your thoughts here, or send us photos and video of your budget-conscious decisions via this FirstPerson form.

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{"commentId":6921868,"authorDomain":"brindaparrish"}

I am a divorced mother of 4 adult kids and an 18 year old senior.  Not only did we do proms, but I've had 3 debutantes, that leaves prom expenses in the dust.  My senior had her prom last weekend.  She does not have a paying job, but I agree with the other mother that her job is to stay out of trouble, be respectful to others, don't drink, smoke, cheat, or sneak, keep her GPA up(she ranks in the top quarter of her class of 400, #73).  Last year she was a debutante.  My ex-husband and I split all expenses for our children down the middle.  Because my daughter doesn't have a boyfriend we also paid the expenses of the young man who excorted her.  My daughter does community services weekly, is active in the church, belongs to many organizations in her school, represents her school in State DECA competitions, and does photography whenever she's free.  I'm proud of her and how she strives for excellence.  She had a wonderful time at the prom with her two best friends and their dates.  We did not rent a limo.  My nephew (19yrs old), was one of the other girl's date, so I allowed him to drive my dodge durango which seats 7.  One of the other mother's had a professional photographer come to the house to do portaits before the group left.  We'll probably have a graduation celebration, also.  No we don't beg for scholarships, colleges are offering her scholarships to come to their school, she has accepted at the school of her first choice.  Is that spoiled? No! While some kids were outside playing, she was working toward this day.  To Joy, who is upset that her boyfriend's daughter is spending too much money.  Our daughters are not entitled to one penny of their dad's girlfriend's money.  And should be thankful for anything that she is gracious enough to give them.  But they have a right to anything that their father chooses to spend on them.  Girlfriends are not wives and should not govern what a father gives his daughter.

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    Reply#51 - Wed May 6, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6921892,"authorDomain":"suzannepollock1"}

    My daughter will be attending her schools prom next weekend. Unlike what I have heard about many other areas the kids here are not using limos or other frills. I'm in western NY which like every other area is hurting from the recession. Most of the stores here have cut the prices of gowns or they would not have had buyers. My daughters gown was 99.00 on sale at JC Penneys a store you can always count on. The dinner and prom is at the same venue a local community club (65 for a couple) and other than her nails (which she is paying for) she and many of her friends are doing there own hair and makeup. Many florist have specials for the flowers.

    Saying all this, Proms and Senior balls are important to many kids. Should they be over the top no, but life should go on even during the most serious since the Great Depression which most of us were not here or were too young to really relate to.

    She works hard both in school and in the community and spends at least two -three days a month delivering food snack packs from the foodbank on Friday afternoons to those in the community whom are hurting more than us.

    Therefore, for just one special day, maybe just maybe she can have some fun, not worry about money or how to pay for college, or the fact that her dad just lost his job as an engineer.

    Life goes by to fast and many kids are having to grow up very quickly. Let them enjoy and just be kids for one night.

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      Reply#52 - Wed May 6, 2009 7:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6921893,"authorDomain":"leel43li"}

      My youngest is graduating this year...no prom, no friends or social life at all. What I wouldn't give, or pay, for the opportunity to make him feel like he belongs, like all the lucky young men and women attending their proms this year. He's smart, he knows what's going on but kids with developmental disabilities get rejected when they can't be up to speed with the crowd. This one's having a tough time, please, guys, understand, I don't want sympathy for this situation, just that you all are lucky to have the freedom to decide to spoil them silly or take a tough love approach. I wish I could. Good luck to all the grads, be careful and have an awesome time at your proms!!!!

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      Reply#53 - Wed May 6, 2009 7:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6922177,"authorDomain":"dianna-1"}

      I suppose my parents were lucky. When I was a Junior, I had no interest in the prom whatsoever. I didn't really care for any of the people I went to school with, much less wanting to see them when on my free time. I was in the top 1% of my class academically, was a cheerleader, and fairly popular. However, I always thought proms were silly and a waste of time: the bands were corny and the people were all there to either 1)get drunk and/or 2)make sure everyone saw that "oooo they could rent a limo". I actually avoided a couple of guys for several weeks to prevent them from asking me to the prom my junior year. Also, by the time the senior prom came around, I'd already graduated early (winter term) and was enrolled fulltime in college. I'd started it the summer between my Jr. and Sr. years of high school, so really, my senior year in HS was just me biding time until the graduation ceremony, taking college classes, the going full time in the spring.

      Some people value their high school years and friendships, and for them, I say, go for it. Go to the proms and homecoming dances and everything else. I just couldn't see spending any more time with those people than I had to.

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        Reply#54 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:02 PM EDT
        {"commentId":6926342,"authorDomain":"yaiba83646-1"}

        haha I know what you mean. I was top 2%, severely disliked many people at my school, not that I knew them all (2000+ school), and thought prom was a waste of time and money. I ended up going because a good friend of mine went to online school and had never had the chance at prom. I took her in a car that my parents had bought for me I admit, (is a 97 subaru legacy nothing too flashy) but I paid for everything that went on that night. Except for the pictures. She wanted to pay for those so she didn't feel like she was getting a free ride.

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          #54.1 - Thu May 7, 2009 12:41 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":6922236,"authorDomain":"randynason"}

          No more stretch limos and all-night partying. Kids will have to set priorities, like adults.

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            Reply#55 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:06 PM EDT
            {"commentId":6922253,"authorDomain":"jakejordan12"}

            I am a junior in high school and can attest to this issue. As many have said our job is to get good grades, not work during the school year, but this does not account for our summers. Many of my friends and I work summer jobs to pay for our yearly expenses, which includes prom. Personally I realize that prom has become outrageously expensive and overdone, and will continue to do so, but that does not mean we are "spoiled brats". I work hard for the money I have, like many of you adults. So on top of an 8 hour school day, 2 hours of homework nightly, and charity work you think I can handle a second job? Could you handle a second job? Answer that honestly. I am not a "spoiled brat", in fact our generation has it nearly the hardest with the economy as it is and college applications at an all time high. So while on the morning of our prom may 8th when I am taking the AP history exam, I want all those who think we are "spoiled brats" to realize that those of us who want to succeed work as hard, if not harder for oppurtunities.

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              Reply#56 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:07 PM EDT
              {"commentId":6923271,"authorDomain":"gmalat"}

              Good Luck on your AP exam! My daughter is a freshman and will be taking her first AP exam next week, so glad she didn't have it the morning of prom, she's nervous enough about it already!

              And have a wonderful safe prom night!

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                #56.1 - Wed May 6, 2009 9:06 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6923817,"authorDomain":"schisamore"}

                I'm 42 years old, hold three jobs: an 8 hour a day job at a local rural community college, 9 credits of adjunct work a semester where 12-15 credits would make me full time, and work for small publisher in another state doing research. I do not have time for a social life nor do I have any discretionary money. I am trying to make up for almost a decade of jobs that offered no retirement. I understand that social security was never intended to be my sole source of income and even at that it probably won't be there when I get to retire.

                Like many in my generation, my family did without to pay for college the whole time my brother and I were growing up. There was almost no financial aid given out and school was expensive, textbooks were expensive and couldn't be bought at a half.com. The school didn't not provide typewriters or any of the supplies we needed to hand in homework. My brother and I were only allowed one outside activity after school because we couldn't afford more and my parents weren't put on this earth to live for us or worse through us. Their effort was to help us become fully functional, responsible adults. This did not include allowance money or expensive clothes, cars, trips, or toys. As a family, we couldn't afford these things and frankly, I wasn't brought up to expect them. I babysat after school for a dollar an hour and although my parents paid for my college tuition and dorm room at a SUNY, once I went to college, I worked summers doing double shifts in a nursing home to earn the money for the other expenses. I had use of a car to go to work in the summer, but my folks dropped me off at college in the fall and picked me up in the spring. In between I carpooled with other students. There was usually an upperclassman with a car on most hallways.

                When I graduated into a recession, it took along time to find a full time job. I have never worked fewer than two jobs since I graduated from college. I did, however, go eight years without health insurance or a car that needed collision.

                I love education and leaning. I work hard at my job(s) and I want my students to be successful. Sometimes though, I feel that there is disconnect between what people need and what they or others want them to have because simply because they exist, whether it is good for them or not. Where I work the students have far more expensive cars than faculty and staff as well better clothing and an unimaginable array of electronic devices and vacation experiences I can only dream of, yet they and their families can't afford to pay for college or textbooks.

                We are bullied by parents defending cheating, missing homework, poor attitudes, in class cell phone use, and their child's right to miss anything from a test on the student's birthday to weeks of school for vacations during the semester. I receive e-mail and homework from students who can't or won't spell correctly, punctuate their sentences, capitalize appropriately or even use paragraphing. The tone of many these e-mails is mildly offensive and can be downright rude and hurtful if the student is not doing well in class. There are parents who go straight to the president of the college if they don't like their child's grade and threaten to sue if the situation isn't resolved. I hear a lot that I should forgive or be understanding of almost any behavior because these are just kids and they make mistakes, and yet it is usually the people who expect this for their child who don't recognize that the people they are addressing this to are in fact people too with feelings, imperfections, and even families of their own.

                I was not the perfect child nor the perfect student. But I never blamed this on others. Generally, I knew what my weaknesses were. I work incredibly hard, look after my parents, and help out my neighbors. I volunteer at work to help with student fundraisers and projects. I want my students to be happy and successful and a good number of the students I work with don't use their parents as offensive weapons, expect grades and money to go to school just for showing up--sometimes, or believe that course requirements and deadlines are open to debate and individual interpretation. I just wish that these students were half as numerous and aggressive as the ones that do.

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                #56.2 - Wed May 6, 2009 9:39 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6924377,"authorDomain":"sherrydturner"}

                I am a parent and teachers need more support. Teachers need to be teach and student need to be prepared to learn. There needs to be boundaries also which i have seen broken down. . Adults are not acting like adults, more like children and children do not have good role models anymore. I am shocked when i tell my kids teacher if my kids are disrupting the class please call and i i will handle things. If there are not rules we are living in a Mac MAx world where anything goes and no order in society at all. Its crazy but we live in a Jerry springer world anymore. all the crazies are coming out of the closets. We americans are so spoiled and we are the most unhappiest. What will it take WWIII to appreciate life again and basics??

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                #56.3 - Wed May 6, 2009 10:17 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6927490,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                Hear, hear!!!

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                  #56.4 - Thu May 7, 2009 3:54 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6953861,"authorDomain":"cheekylilchatter"}

                  Yes, i could do a second job.

                  when i was younger I went to school full time and also worked with two small children. I was divorced with no child support.

                  Now I am still a single parent taking care of two kids, working full time. I take them to all their activities and stay and watch. I own a house, I do volunteer work, babysit, and every year do peoples taxes for free and work out budgets for them because they can't afford to pay someone to file for them.

                  I'm not saying every teen should work lots of hours during school, but it can be done and it can help them learn to schedule and use their time wisely.

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                    #56.5 - Fri May 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":6922378,"authorDomain":"suzannehomes4sale"}

                    My daughter definately did some thinking about the cost. I was quite pleased to see her come home with a beautiful , borrowed dress. Her boyfriend is using a tuxedo that he normally wears for Band. The tickets,transportation are all they paid for. The parents are paying for the pictures. The discussion regarding cost and the need to be mindful of not going "overboard" as I believe as become the normal over the past seveal years was key to these decisions. My gift to my children is to pay for their education and for some fun things, however I also want my gift to be that they are aware of "paying" your way and not becoming dependent on credit.

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                      Reply#57 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:14 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":6922387,"authorDomain":"mamaj9017"}

                      My son made all A's through high school and he worked a part time job also.  He saved his money for months to take his girl to the prom.  He knew his parents couldn't help.  He has always been very responsible.  His girl got a dress from one of her older sisters and we made it over so as not to be recognized.  She did her own hair and makeup.  She was beautiful.  She had a single mom who could not help either.  Those two wonderful teenagers went to collage together and worked their way through themselves.  They never asked for a dime.  They both have bachelors degrees and are married.  They have great jobs and I am very proud of them.

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                        Reply#58 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:15 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":6924211,"authorDomain":"sherrydturner"}

                        THat is wonderful and you must be proud especially in this world of entitlement

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                          #58.1 - Wed May 6, 2009 10:07 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":6927401,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                          Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!

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                            #58.2 - Thu May 7, 2009 3:25 AM EDT
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                            {"commentId":6922442,"authorDomain":"mlevendusky"}

                            I have taught at colleges for over 25 years, and so have some experience with college students and their parents. In my experience, the people who say that they want kids to enjoy being kids and that their son or daughter's job is to go to school continue this behavior in some form forever. The parents interfere with their education (they feel like they are "helping"), they interfere with their relationships ("helping" again), their job search and then their jobs. They are using these phrases to justify keeping their children dependent on them, for many reasons. The children of these people either do not grow into independent adults or they break off ties with their parents. Neither of these results is good. If I were one of these parents saying this, I would examine my actual motives and think about the idea that it is not my life I am trying to control and that I am not doing my child any favors keeping him or her from paying his or her own way and making his or her own mistakes.

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                              Reply#59 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:18 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":6922913,"authorDomain":"addiem"}

                              I heard that universities were going to become more "intrusive" into college students' lives, in an attempt to get more than (approx.) 27% of Americans to actually graduate from college.

                              One man's interfering is another's helping, I guess.

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                                #59.1 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:47 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":6924350,"authorDomain":"schisamore"}

                                Actually, my understanding is, that because of Ferpa, there is almost no way colleges can become more intrusive. I do hear at meetings though extensive efforts to insure success as we watch students burn through financial aid money. We are being encouraged to report non attendance to not only the government for financial aid purposes, but to send repeated e-mails begging students to attend class and hand in their work so we don't have to be mean and report the student hasn't been coming to class.

                                At professional conferences, I have also been encouraged to take into account that dependence on electronic devices means students aren't wired to read without pictures or bells and whistles, study for content, research for material anywhere other than online--even though most of what is online lacks the required depth, or focus on any particular task. Deadlines and requirements should fluid. I have been told students multi task better than anyone else before them. I question this as many of them can't or won't follow directions even when they are in print, online, and e-mailed to them. I am told that memorization of the key material needed to go on to more complex learning is out and students cannot be expected to use any form of written ettiquite in school because they have embraced texting and social networking, which for some reason is more important as a skill than communicating professionally.

                                Most recently, I attended meeting where a room from full of professionals tried to think of a stratagy to compensate for the fact that over half our students didn't open the mail that provides the information they need to log into the campus system. Yeah, I suppose we are intruding more when our IT department generates a report to see sho has never logged in so we can try to find a way, without hurting any of their feelings to get them logged into the system so they can get their grades and register for classes. Although if we don't do this we get angry complaints that we are being secretive, excluding students, or not being student centered enough.

                                I DO NOT want to become more intrusive in students' scholastic lives. I want them to learn how to learn at a college level, to accept that there are things out there that need to be learned through focused study and that the grade they get is the grade they earn. I DO NOT want to compensate for a laundry list of activites we can't necessarily expect them to do or spend more time protecting them from themselves than I do working with students who come to class, read directions, make an honest attempt at assignments, and don't expect to be rewarded because they tried as though this were a T-ball league and everyone on the roster gets a trophy.

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                                  #59.2 - Wed May 6, 2009 10:16 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":6927389,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                                  Oh my goodness....I am so happy I read your post!!!!!!!!! Thank you, Thank you, thank you. I was having an argument with a friend of mine about this subject about 2 hours before I read these posts. I so needed to hear common sense....thank you again. As a parent of two college students, I couldn't agree more! I love my kids, very much, BUT I want them to go on and lead their own lives....my job as their mentor and guide is over now, it's up to them. If I did my job right the first 18 years, they will be fine! My mother told me that I wouldn't know how I did as a parent until my children were in their 30's, if I was lucky! She also taught me that my job as a parent was to raise functional, satisfied, adults. Mother's know best!

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                                    #59.3 - Thu May 7, 2009 3:22 AM EDT
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                                    {"commentId":6922640,"authorDomain":"lareeshafae91"}

                                    I'm a senior girl in high school right now, and I'd also like to attest that not all kids are spoiled brats. I work very hard in school - I'm currently taking 2 AP classes and I'll have taken 3 AP tests this year by the end of next week (5 overall if you count last year). I've maintained a 3.85 GPA which will bump up to a 3.89 by the time I graduate due to my 4.0 this semester. I'm also in my school's elite auditioned choir, our auditioned musical theatre class, I'm active in my church and my religion class that I take at school, and busy with several other required classes at school. I have 2 or 3 hours of homework every night, along with rehearsals for choir and our musicals that often start at 6 A.M. or go after school until 8 P.M. With that schedule, I don't have time for a part-time job, but I got a full-ride scholarship for college. This helped my parents out a lot, as they have 6 more kids at home to take care of. Because I'm paying for my college through my full-time schoolwork JOB, they help me out by paying for some dance expenses. I try to be frugal, however, as I just got a dress for my senior prom that was on clearance rather than a $400 dress. My mom and sister usually do my hair and I do my own makeup and nails, and I wear nice shoes that either I already have or will wear for the next two years. I've never ridden in a limo, never spent more than $10 on a meal, and most of the guys I've gone to dances with wear their tuxes from choir or band. We do work hard, and we know how to spend money wisely. And did I mention I've thanked my parents for every penny they've spent on my dance expenses? They could back me up on this.

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                                    Reply#60 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:30 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6922940,"authorDomain":"addiem"}

                                    Thank you, Idaho, for a teenager's account. Congratulations on the scholarship!

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                                      #60.1 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:48 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":6923060,"authorDomain":"lareeshafae91"}

                                      Thank you!

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                                        #60.2 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:55 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":6924240,"authorDomain":"sherrydturner"}

                                        Yes congratulations Idaho senior! you are not typical senior we hear about. I like hearing nice news like this. Its so refreshing.

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                                          #60.3 - Wed May 6, 2009 10:09 PM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":6922837,"authorDomain":"oasiscat"}

                                          A prom just isn't that important. In the early 1970s, we went out to dinner and to the dance and then a picnic, but I really don't remember that much about it. It was fun, but my mind was already thinking about college and the future. And I have never seen 98% of the people I knew in high school again. I think one of the differences is that no one made that much of a fuss--not parents, not the school administration, not the kids. It was just a formal dance. And frankly, even at the time, none of us expected high school to be "the best time of our lives." We knew it was just a blip, and we were facing the Vietnam War and college or jobs or both.

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                                            Reply#61 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":6922918,"authorDomain":"tammy-vernon"}

                                            Well I am one of those girls that never went to prom, I was asked, but did not go.  It was too expensive, even back in 1980.  I worked part time in high school and full time in college, I paid my own way.  I'm sure it would have been fun, but it was just not worth the money to me then.  This past weekend was prom in our town.  I followed a young friend as she got her hair done, by a family stylist so it was free, she wore a beautiful dress, she found in a second hand store, she took her photos at a firends lake property with her own digital camera.  She and her date were skipping dinner at the fancy restaurant and instead meeting more friends to take more photos at each others homes.  She and her date probably spent about $100 each, way less than her friends.  The schools could also save money, have the dances in the gym, instead of the local ballrooms or meeting centers.  There will always be excess, but you can cut cost and still have lots of fun.  Some of my young friends' other girlfriends traded dresses with girls at a different school.  If boys owned a nice black or dark grey dress suit for special occassions, weddings, funerals, interviews, they would not need a tux, just some spiffy accessories.  It is what you make it.

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                                              Reply#62 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:47 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6938272,"authorDomain":"mdpatter"}

                                              We would love to have the Prom in the gym, but it can't be done because of numbers. I am expecting 650 students at our Prom next weekend, and that requires 65 tables. Our fire marshal won't let us pack that many in, so we have to look for an outside venue. Many of our high schools are just so large these days...

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                                                #62.1 - Thu May 7, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6941823,"authorDomain":"mdpatter"}

                                                We would love to have the Prom in the gym, but it can't be done because of numbers. I am expecting 650 students at our Prom next weekend, and that requires 65 tables. Our fire marshal won't let us pack that many in, so we have to look for an outside venue. Many of our high schools are just so large these days...

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                                                  #62.2 - Thu May 7, 2009 4:31 PM EDT
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                                                  {"commentId":6922959,"authorDomain":"jamesanselm"}

                                                  I'd say that, in general, it is up to parents to realistically evaluate their financial situations and fund their kids accordingly, but up to a certain point. If a family is going through tough times, it's selfish for a kid to ask those parents to pay for a prom. If parents are well-off, they could offer to PARTIALLY fund anything that can be considered as non-essential (ie. prom).

                                                  In general, kids should be paying full (or at least part) for anything which is non-essential (ie. car, movies, mp3 players, etc.). Wonder why kids so often lose their cellphones and mp3 players, and then have practically no interest in looking for it? They didn't experience the hard work it took to earn the money.

                                                  I'd say that if parents can afford it, they should get their kids in the working mindset at a very young age, and keep it going. For example, I had a paper route with my brother and sister from when I was in grade 6 until I got another part time job in grade 12. Only 6 hours/week, but it was still work. In similar ways, every kid should be working a part time job. For those kids under 16, you could give them chores to do for money (not something trivial like cleaning their room, but something relatively time consuming like vacuuming the house, weeding the garden, mowing lawn, shovel driveway, sealing driveway, etc.). By learning to work hard at a young age, kids will learn to manage their time effectively and most of the arguments of "my high school kid doesn't have time to have a part-time job" would quiet down.

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                                                    Reply#63 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:49 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6927350,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                                                    Thank you James for common sense! I couldn't agree more. It's a balancing act, between affordibility and responsibility. I really appreciated your post! I am dealing with this situation now between me and my fiance's ex wife. She thinks we should pay for everything for the kids, I mean EVERYTHING; cell phones, proms, trips, entertainment, cars, and designer clothes.

                                                    I never raised MY kids that way and it is quite the problem. (My children are slightly older) but I ALWAYS believed the children should pay for the "extras" or I would "help them" with the extras, BUT I don't believe in "spoiling" them as I think it hurts them in the long run. My Kids had paper routes when they were 12, and part time jobs when they were 16. Now they are both working while in college, I provide a roof over their head, food, utilities and help with car insurance and school costs. (Oh, I did help with my sons first car, opertive word, helped...he had to save the rest.) After that they are on their own. Clothes, cell phones, entertainment (especially entertainment) is their expense. I provide the needs, they provide the wants.

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                                                      #63.1 - Thu May 7, 2009 3:12 AM EDT
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                                                      {"commentId":6923020,"authorDomain":"love-red-zebraprint"}

                                                      ok i just went to my prom and had a great time and i payd for all of it...i dnt wear "designer name brand clothes" and i went in my own car so stop hating tht some parents are wnting their kids to go to prom and have a good time With friends...i only was able to go to prom for like an hour cuz my 9 month old daughter was at home...and when she gts old eniough SHE WILL GO tO PROM weither i pay for it or she does...

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                                                        Reply#64 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:53 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":6923035,"authorDomain":"mcurtis-1"}

                                                        What I can gather from these postings is different areas of the country have extremely different expectations of high school proms. My older daughters attended a large suburban HS - approx 4000 students. Their proms are held in the decorated athletic center (gym) with a DJ and the tickets are reasonably priced. The committees have cut out most of the food (not eaten anyway). One daughter's group went to a parents' house for steak dinner as a group, the other to a restaurant (which was a pain). All of the parents meet at a park or other scenic locale for pre-prom photos. No limos or party buses, either. Both of the girls either shopped at discount retailers (<$40) or borrowed dresses...not wasting money on matching shoes, as they are the first thing to hit the coat check room. For the memories, we gladly paid the 'reasonable' prices, any frills - they paid themselves. It's all about compromise and staying within a budget we could afford....it's possible!

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                                                          Reply#65 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:54 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":6923089,"authorDomain":"ahenra"}

                                                          I have a daughter who is a senior this year, and the thing she most loves about her prom dress is that I found it in a 2ndhand shop for under $5! Add in a package of fabric dye to take it to the scarlet red she wants, and total cost of her gown was LESS than $10! I know she has bragged about it in school to the girls whose parents are dishing out hundreds....we live in a lakeside town where there are definitely 'haves' and 'have-nots.' We're in between, but the way she is proud of our frugailty makes me proud of her, and gives me hope that not all kids are the "gimme gimme" type.

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                                                            Reply#66 - Wed May 6, 2009 8:56 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":6927300,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                                                            I'm giving a standing ovation!!!! So cool!

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                                                              #66.1 - Thu May 7, 2009 3:01 AM EDT
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                                                              {"commentId":6923171,"authorDomain":"virgatk"}

                                                              Funny how it takes a bad economy before people start doing things different. They should have done that looooooong time ago.

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                                                                Reply#67 - Wed May 6, 2009 9:00 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":6923331,"authorDomain":"punkyyetfunky"}

                                                                i think this article goes either way.

                                                                if parents want to provide all the prom things for their kid

                                                                than thats them. my mom has 7 kids and isnt doing well right now

                                                                so i willingly used all of my past paychecks to pay for my ticket. dress. shoes.

                                                                earrings. makeup. everything. at well over 5 hundred dollars

                                                                and i had to drive myself and my date to prom because

                                                                i nearly didnt have enough to pay for a limo

                                                                i think its all a matter of the circumstances.

                                                                my mom i know porbably wishes she could have provided everything

                                                                i needed for MY night. and i know she probably feels bad that she wasnt able to

                                                                supply me with waht i needed like she did for my brother and sister

                                                                years ago. but i took the responsibilty of paying for everything myself

                                                                i surely could have sqeezed a hundred or so out of my mom for help.

                                                                but i know that it woul dhave taken away from more important things.

                                                                its all a matter of whether the money is there or not.

                                                                granted. i had the most amazing time at prom last weekend.

                                                                and everyone LOVED my 2oo$ dress . that i worked hard for

                                                                and i can proudly sayy i bought myself.

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                                                                  Reply#68 - Wed May 6, 2009 9:10 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6923793,"authorDomain":"techlore"}

                                                                  I grew up in a rural area near Lake Michigan. On a seven mile stretch of gavel road there were three families and four boys. Our family did not farm. The other two did. We boys helped on each other's farms, mostly without pay. We were into swimming, tobagganing, a little hunting but mostly electronics with a lot of time also spent on school work. After my father left, my mother kept a roof over our heads and clothes on our backs. What we ate depended on what I brought home from an after school job in town. I felt proud I could help take care of my family. We four boys all agreed we wanted to put off girls and all their drama for as long as we could. Prom we did not attend.

                                                                  All four of us graduated from college. All of us have masters degrees. Three of us are electrical engineers and one is a bishop with a Congregatinal Church. Two of us spent time as military officers, one in the Army and one in the nuclear Navy. Two of us have been vice presidents, one of Motorola and one of RCA. One has been a college professor and had a book published a few years ago. All of us married and have children.

                                                                  Now we read about Proms and kids in limos, lavish dinners, expensive admission tickets and after parties and hotel rooms. Pardon me ... but has Prom now become practice for a future wedding reception? This is their big teenage memory? Guess the drama queens really did win.

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                                                                    Reply#69 - Wed May 6, 2009 9:37 PM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":6924322,"authorDomain":"emily-hanson"}

                                                                    I don't really think the issue is whether a parent pays for anything for a child-it is in how that child receives it. Society pushes the idea on children that "things" are important. I was taught that it wasn't what I had but who I was that was important. Im in college and when I went to my highschool prom I didn't even ask if my mother would buy me a dress-not because I assumed she would say no but just because the idea to ask for an item like a dress didnt enter my head, a few weeks before my prom my mom said, "hey, I would like to go shopping and look at dresses today after ur done at work". I said ok, thanked her, and when I was at the store I made the effort to look at price tags and pick a dress that I liked that wasn't a million dollars because I respected that what my mom was doing for me was special and not something she had to do(buying a prom dress or not doesn't define you as a parent or make your children love you more or less) but something she wanted to do-it was something she choose to help me with and share with me and on prom night-even though I hate pictures and the like-i stood with a smile and without complaint for every picture she wanted to take. Do my parents still help me out-yeah they do but I dont ask and I dont expect. My car died on friday while I was driving to see my parents-when I got home I looked up the bus schedule to get a ride at the end of the weekend to school and then I went to work-I didnt expect anything and I didnt ask. On Saturday while I was at work I am told my dad is in the lobby, I go up front and he takes me in the parking lot to show me a used car from a local dealership and asks me what I think.............(I can tell you I really wasnt expecting that because times are tough for my family right now, my mom has cancer & we have alot of bills, thats why I go home every weekend to help).......I didnt say, "But daddy can I have a newer car or a shiny red car or a faster car or a cuter car"............ "I said its great dad, if you think its reliable and you can get a good deal, its wonderful"

                                                                    All of people who are saying teens feel entitled to things, its because no one has taken the time to teach them what is important and what is just fluff.......choosing to buy your children things wont spoil or corrupt them if they have been taught that those things are not important, they are extra, they are fun, and they can bring a smile to your face(I know I loved my prom dress and it made me feel special) but in the end if you cant be happy without them, then you need to re-evaluate ur priorities.

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                                                                      Reply#70 - Wed May 6, 2009 10:14 PM EDT
                                                                      {"commentId":6924351,"authorDomain":"rcsart"}

                                                                      Idaho, not speaking for everyone here I'd like to say as a parent of two daughters and a son. I'm sure no one here intends to imply all teens have this attitude. Nor do all parents have the same ideas on how to raise them. I do give respect where it is due you’re very much like my younger daughter. She’s very involved in school and advanced classes, the arts, and church. My older daughter was more like me, fought to get through school and had to work twice as hard. I feel the three of you were not handed everything on a silver platter, have applied yourselves and worked very hard to obtain your goals. My son however did not, he is learning the hard way that silver soon tarnishes and life isn't what he thought it would be. You should be very proud of yourself, and your parents for their support. Not everyone has been given these gifts, and it's hard to watch the suffering of those who haven't received them. I do think it's a shame that some parents believe it's better to be a child’s friend and want to give them everything at any price. Rather then be their parent and teach them through love and respect that there are consequences for actions, and things cost money and don't fall from trees. Congratulations on your scholar ship you have earned it.

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                                                                      Reply#71 - Wed May 6, 2009 10:16 PM EDT
                                                                      {"commentId":6927200,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                                                                      Curtis, you have given me hope for common sense parenting...I often feel I am alone in that regard!

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                                                                        #71.1 - Thu May 7, 2009 2:37 AM EDT
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                                                                        {"commentId":6924604,"authorDomain":"groenewouds"}

                                                                        My daughter and I went to a thrift shop, bought a dress for $3, had a local seamstress alter the dress for $20, dry cleaned the dress ($20), re-polished last years shoes, traded jewelry with a friend from another town, had fun doing her hair, nails, and make-up at home. When her date showed up and they left giggling and smiling I knew we had just raised one hell of a good kid. Right then being layed-off didn't seem so bad.

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                                                                          Reply#72 - Wed May 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":6925088,"authorDomain":"mbloder"}

                                                                          I think there is a comfortable medium. I've worked very hard since I was 16 to keep from being a financial burden on my parents, because money has always been tight. I put myself through college, I'm putting myself through grad school, I've always bought my own clothes, etc, and even paid for things like prom (which I spent less than $150 TOTAL on, and it was amazing!). I've even helped my parents out when things were tight on their end.

                                                                          That being said, I dislike the attitude of some people whose comments have made me feel guilty for taking what little I have from my parents. Yes, I'm a 23 year old grad student who is currently living with my parents rent free. But that doesn't make me a bum and it doesn't mean my parents facilitate some sense of entitlement. It means that I made a financial decision not to throw money into a lease in bad economic times when I am a struggling waitress/student. And it means I have parents who want to do what they can because they care about me.

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                                                                            Reply#73 - Wed May 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":6927191,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                                                                            Megan...another positive post....I love hearing that attitude from those in your generation. Good luck to you...you deserve it.

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                                                                              #73.1 - Thu May 7, 2009 2:36 AM EDT
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                                                                              {"commentId":6925649,"authorDomain":"silentscreams3313"}

                                                                              I feel like the parents here who pay everything for their kids are not giving them enough credit. I am currently a junior in college, and my parents have not given me money for it, not that they won't I just don't expect them to. You say a teens primary job is school, but thats fine. I went to high school played three sports 6 days a week, did at least 25 hours community service a week, and held a job. I paid for everything but meals ever since I was 16. I have a free ride to school because my grades were so good and because I did so many activities. I also pay my own rent in an apartmen. Its not impossible to work and do well inschool. Once they graduate they are going to be in complete shockand have no idea what the real world is like. Its not all easy and your main focus is not just one thing. You have to do many things that make your life function. Give your kids more credit, they can definately handle a job and school with all their activities and it wil actually make them more appealing to future employers.

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                                                                                Reply#74 - Wed May 6, 2009 11:44 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":6927184,"authorDomain":"gail-l-w"}

                                                                                Kudos to you raff3313...you seem like someone with a good head on your shoulders. You should be proud of yourself and happy that your parents did not hand you everything....you should do well in life. I applaud your attitude!!!

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                                                                                  #74.1 - Thu May 7, 2009 2:34 AM EDT
                                                                                  {"commentId":6987423,"authorDomain":"michele-lafferty"}

                                                                                  raff3313, I think it is wonderful that you were able to do all of those things. But not every student is capable of handling as much as you, and for a variety of reasons from intellectual ability to learning disabilities and the like. I suggest you be thankful that you have the abilities you have.

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                                                                                    #74.2 - Sun May 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT
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                                                                                    {"commentId":6925711,"authorDomain":"tidewateralicia"}

                                                                                    It is easy to critisize this generation as a whole. I agree that there are some children, teens, young adults who think the world spins to their clocks. However, to say that this whole generation is a bunch of selfish spoiled brats who expect their parents to take the tab for evereything is offensive to me and others who do things differently. I am an 18 year old senior, and I have had a job since I was 16 and I am still graduating with honors. There was a blue moon when my parents had to spend a red cent on me for school or anything. I bought my own car, no, it wasnt a mustang or a current year car, but it was my car that I payed for myself and proud of. I will be attending prom in these next couple of days. I have payed for my hair, nails, tickets, makeup, and dress. I belive that parents need to discipline their children with the little thing called a belt and I agree that there are some parents who ALLOW their children to belive that the world should be handed to them, however there is nothing wrong with parents helping their child out along the way or doing a little something special for their child once in a while. Those who were saying that they didn't go to their prom and think it should be canceled, I say to them you are suposed to be grown and you need to grow up and get over the fact that you did not go. Just because you did not go does not mean that you should rob seniors and upcoming seniors of their memories, and there are those who worked hard to get where they are. Stop putting down the youth and uplift them. Be apart of a positive movement instead of a negative one in our communities.

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                                                                                      Reply#75 - Wed May 6, 2009 11:49 PM EDT
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