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How do you measure economic anguish?

While it's routine to assign numbers to the recession's costs in terms of jobs lost or businesses relocated or shut down, assessing the human impact is far more difficult.

There's plenty of anecdotal evidence that people are hurting all over the nation. The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (1-800-273-8255) received more than 50,000 calls in March, a 12 percent increase from the previous year. And one third of Americans reported losing sleep over the economy and personal finance concerns, according to a recent poll by the National Sleep Foundation.

But how do you measure the pain? How much quality of life drains out with each passing day on the unemployment line? How many sleepless nights does it take before one's health begins to suffer? How much desperation can a person take when they and their family lose a home to foreclosure?

If the effects are hard to quantify, that doesn't make them any less devastating, said Matt Wray, an assistant professor of sociology at Temple University in Philadelphia who has studied the relationship between recessions and suicide rates.

"The bottom line is a bad economy is bad for your health, and that includes your mental health," he said. Elkhart County, which saw its unemployment rate climb to 18.8 percent in March, would seem to be the ideal laboratory for an enterprising social scientist to develop a correlation between financial mayhem and human suffering.

In msnbc.com's short time in the city, we've met people who were losing their homes to foreclosure and others living in fear of losing a business.

And as reporter Tim Vandenack put it in a Page 1 story in Sunday's Elkhart Truth, "With 18.8 percent of Elkhart County's workforce now unemployed – 18, 506 people, up from 5,766 a year earlier – that's potentially a lot of angst out there." (Click here to read the Truth report in its entirety.)

For some, the despair can be overwhelming. Elkhart County Coroner John White told the newspaper that five of the eight county residents who committed suicide in the first three months of 2009 were experiencing financial difficulties when then ended their lives. That's a sharp increase from the first quarter of 2008, when the county saw only two suicides.

The sudden spike of self-inflicted deaths could be an anomaly. Wray, the Temple professor, said that most researchers believe that suicide rates climb only during the most severe recessions.

"During the Depression, I think the national suicide rate peaked at about 17 Americans per 100,000," he said. "Right now it is hovering between 10 and 11 and has been stable for several decades."

Dr. R. Scott Benson, a child and adolescent psychiatrist in Pensacola, Fla., said he doubts that financial hardship causes people who wouldn't otherwise consider suicide to take their lives. But he noted that joblessness can be a double whammy, as people suffering from depression may not be able to access the care they require.

"It's a big problem in this country that if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance," he said. "So people who have mental health and other health problems may not be able to get help. We have COBRA (insurance), but often the financial burden is huge and more than a normal family can manage."

Fortunately, as the Truth story documents and as msnsbc.com has learned, the help- thy-neighbor ethic remains strong in Elkhart.

Within days of our arrival in March, we met unemployed RV workers doing construction work at a new shelter for homeless women. We saw people at local churches and nonprofits stepping up to feed, clothe and shelter those hardest hit by the financial meltdown. And we talked to jobless residents who responded to their own setback by creating support groups to help others going through the same thing.

You'll meet some of these people in the weeks ahead. But in the meantime, we'd love to hear from you, whether you live in Elkhart or not, about how you or your friends are dealing with the pressure and pain that the recession is causing around the nation. And we'd like to know hour your community is pulling together in these tough times. You can share your thoughts in the comment section below.

In the meantime, here are some links that may be helpful if you're dealing with economic anguish:

•American Psychological Association: 'Managing stress in tough economic times'

•Financial fears trickle down to kids

•Edgy? Coping with an economic panic attack

•Interactive: How stress affects our bodies

And, finally, some important words from Wray, the suicide researcher:

"If you're in distress, there's help. Suicide is preventable, not inevitable. Talk to your rabbi or pastor, call the hot line, talk to someone and get help. … People should also educate themselves about the warning signs of suicide in others. There are a lot of myths and misperceptions out there that can actually stand in the way of preventing needless deaths."

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{"commentId":6571768,"authorDomain":"raincheck"}

How do you measure the economic implosion? In Arizona, horse owners who cannot afford to keep their horse or have it put down (removal fee is maybe $500), and don't think there is any help, are taking them out to the desert and shooting them. Some of them suceed in one shot. Some don't. What a horrible, depraved situation all the money grubbers have caused. Can the world tell me why we can't just take back all the money? And what about multi-millionaire sports figures? Where are they funding 1/2 of their salaries in these times????

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Reply#1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT
{"commentId":6571861,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

raincheck

In Arizona, horse owners who cannot afford to keep their horse or have it put down (removal fee is maybe $500), and don't think there is any help, are taking them out to the desert and shooting them

And what about multi-millionaire sports figures? Where are they funding 1/2 of their salaries in these times????

Are they in Arizona?

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#1.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":6571886,"authorDomain":"markopolousc"}

They're funding their salaries from the millions of people like me. The ones who didn't buy a horse when they didn't have the money, or the savings, to do so.

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#1.2 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT
{"commentId":6572276,"authorDomain":"lakeworthguy"}

Ones just stupid enough to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars to sit on their fat asses and watch grown men play children's game.

They're soooooo much smarter than the horse buyers! LOL

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#1.3 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":6573748,"authorDomain":"basstronaut"}

First of all: watching sports doesn't actually require you to buy tickets to the stadiums to watch live. You can watch at home for free on tv or stream on internet for free! Watching sports is good for the mental health, it's a pleasant distraction, even when your team loses.

Secondly: Dude, I don't know what owners' box you visit, but join the rest of humanity and tough it out in the cheaper seats once in a while. You could probably spend an entire season watching your home team even at the stadium live (plus food!)and still run nowhere near the cost of owning a freakin' horse.

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#1.4 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":6574302,"authorDomain":"REALITYCHCK"}

How do you measure misery? Jimmy Carter's infamous "Misery Index" is a good start. It takes the average unemployment rate and adds it to the average inflation rate.

Unfortunately for Carter, he used it to get elected in 1976, but when the 1980 election came around, it was a lot higher, so he lost to Reagan, who turned things around.

For the record, the best "Misery Index" in the last 40 years was under Bill Clinton at 7.8%, followed closely by George W Bush at 8.1%. For Carter, it averaged 16.27% and got as high as 21.98%.

It should be interesting to see how Obama does.

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#1.5 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":6579714,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

With all the misery out there, I thought I would make a POSITIVE comment.

We're doing great. That's right. And we're not even rich Republicans.

When the last recession hit, I quit my regular job and joined forces with Gayla to do some housecleaning. We're not underemployed, we're overworked.

When we come home from cleaning, there's more to be done editing and publishing books and a sci-fi mag. We have more work than we can do, and things get better all the time.

Our last release at Amazon was a book that sold more than six million copies before it went out of print in 1991. We obtained the rights, added 27 illustrations, a new cover, and it's selling like hotcakes.

That is America. You work hard, maybe things go good for you after a while. I don't know. Back in 2001 during the last recession, I was on unemployment.

Since we work with mostly upscale customers in the cleaning biz, you get used to ignoring all the books on the shelves by Hannity, Coulter, and Limbaugh. That's the nature of the business. You smile and plug in the vacuum.

They treat us pretty well though. Especially Gayla or I will drop them like a bad habit. Except for 'special jobs' our waiting list for service is over a year long.

I have faith both in America and that a recovery is coming.

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#1.6 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:37 AM EDT
{"commentId":6580825,"authorDomain":"lamb1"}

Raincheck,

I was right with you on the plight of the horses until you started talking the class-envy nonsense. Taking all the money back? What does that mean? Money is just paper or numbers in the bank. Do you want to take away people's houses, boats, cars or anything else they have earned through their hard work and talent? If that's what you are talking about, then you are living in the wrong country.

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#1.7 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:40 AM EDT
{"commentId":6580901,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
I was right with you on the plight of the horses until you started talking the class-envy nonsense

You think rich people are worried about somebody elses horses? Where are you from?

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#1.8 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:47 AM EDT
{"commentId":6581444,"authorDomain":"lamb1"}

jbdaad,

Ever heard of Bo Derek? I'm not sure why being rich and loving horses are mutually exclusive.

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#1.9 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:26 AM EDT
{"commentId":6585072,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
Ever heard of Bo Derek?

No. Who is she? Does she like horses?

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    #1.10 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:06 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6589700,"authorDomain":"HandC"}

    Many people of very little means own horses because they love horses. Theses animals are well cared for and loved.

    Some people can't afford to feed their dogs now much less a horse. That is a reality of current times not a situation that all the Newsviners should jump all over (with their usual zeal)and scream "irresponsible".

    Anyone who is making a statement here that only rich people own horses or these people have bought an animal that they couldn't afford in the first place are uninformed (stupid and should not bother posting at all) and probably haven't spent much time outside of a city or "suburbia"

    Blevins-your post sounds like an advertisement of some kind???

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      #1.11 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:15 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6593856,"authorDomain":"doctorrgwdc"}

      This is an Indiana union town that sat around in a protectionist mode thinking they were safe. Sorry to say this is true America, self serving at it's worst. Uneducated people making way to much money and the legacy costs killed it dead.

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        #1.12 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:23 PM EDT
        {"commentId":6594708,"authorDomain":"lizbeth6688"}

        Even though I don't like horses, my daughter loves them and I would never wish any harm on them. I know her instructor personally and know how much she loves horses. I have been reading all these stories of horses being surrendered or killed and it breaks my heart!!! Any of you people who say mean nasty things just don't have a heart! I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't feed my dog. And by the way, people don't have to be rich to have pets and pets ARE part of our families!

        Thank you Hardened & Calloused! I agreee!

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        #1.13 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:16 PM EDT
        {"commentId":6595553,"authorDomain":"shinnam"}

        What a waste, in Europe horse meat is almost as expensive as beef. Lots of hungry people in Az. could use the protein. And now what are those people going to do with the duel wheel, SUV's they bought to haul the horses around ? Maybe they can take them to a tent city. The waste of consuption and excesses of the pseudo rich i.e. credit consumers have come to roost. Horse meat is quite good on the grill and crow isn't so bad either.

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          #1.14 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:12 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6634764,"authorDomain":"zskinla"}

          You can buy or own anything you want, but don't scream if you loose it. You should only acquire things that you can afford.

          Too many people in this country lived beyond their means and now are wining, because they can't access their equity or credit cards to continue the pathetic lifestyle that they should have never lived.

          One of my relatives got laid off from a very good paying job, but she decided to just stay home with the children. Guess why? Because they lived below their means. They are planning to have another one in the near future and she can afford to still stay at home.

          I don't see why those of us who are living according to our income should have any sympathy for stupid idiots!!!

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            #1.15 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
            {"commentId":6637386,"authorDomain":"goldnmypoc2"}

            Never ceases to amaze me how some people turn on others without knowing the full scope of a situation.

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            #1.16 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
            {"commentId":6656351,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

            antipolitics

            Too many people in this country lived beyond their means and now are wining, because they can't access their equity or credit cards to continue the pathetic lifestyle that they should have never lived.

            Why are they whining? It`s written right in the way people talk about people who are unemployed.

            means and now are wining,

            they should have never lived.

            How do you measure economic anguish?

            The real unemployment rate: 15.6% - MSN Money - New Investor Center

            But the real national unemployment rate is far worse than the U.S ... The Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking this ... MSN Money's editorial goal is to provide a forum ...

            32,000 People a year commiting siucide.

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            #1.17 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:38 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":6572391,"authorDomain":"csposi"}

            "During the Depression, I think the national suicide rate peaked at about 17 Americans per 100,000," he said. "Right now it is hovering between 10 and 11 (percent) and has been stable for several decades."....

            I have a hard time believing that the suicide rate is 10 percent. 

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              Reply#2 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT
              {"commentId":6574345,"authorDomain":"REALITYCHCK"}

              Just shoddy reporting. I'm sure the author meant a rate per 100,000 of 10 to 11, not 10% to 11%.

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              #2.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:01 PM EDT
              {"commentId":6577904,"authorDomain":"brunker"}

              That was my mistake. The most recent figures indicate the rate remains at 10 to 11 per 100 000, not percent.

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              #2.2 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:23 PM EDT
              {"commentId":6580911,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
              Just shoddy reporting. I'm sure the author meant a rate per 100,000 of 10 to 11, not 10% to 11%.

              And where is yours hot shot?

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                #2.3 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:49 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6581145,"authorDomain":"REALITYCHCK"}

                jbdaad

                Just shoddy reporting. I'm sure the author meant a rate per 100,000 of 10 to 11, not 10% to 11%.

                "And where is yours hot shot?"

                Just go to "Misery Index" under Wikipedia if you doubt my figures. I also did a month by month analysis to verify Wikipedia's accuracy. Check it out.

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                  #2.4 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:07 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6585302,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                  ROY WILSON-336103

                  Just shoddy reporting

                  jbdaad

                  "And where is yours hot shot?"

                  ROY WILSON-336103

                  Just go to "Misery Index" under Wikipedia if you doubt my figures

                  I did.

                  ROY WILSON-336103

                  Misery index (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                  The misery index is an economic indicator, created by economist Arthur Okun, and found by adding the unemployment rate to the inflation rate. It is assumed that both a higher rate of unemployment and a worsening of inflation create economic and social costs for a country. [1]

                  Good stats. We need a way to present it for the people who can not for what ever reason understand the full impact of your figures. I understand wuite well the effects of misery on this country.

                  See if my good friend Mal will help.

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                    #2.5 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:15 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":6585434,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                    Ooops here MalamuteMan

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                      #2.6 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:21 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":6589811,"authorDomain":"HandC"}

                      jbdaad & ROY WILSON, you guys are awesome! I really mean it.

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                      #2.7 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":6572402,"authorDomain":"eprincee2"}

                      The question is how many people will actually learn from this. I think that within a year of this depression ending people will be back to spending foolishly and saving little our culture only understands instant gratification.

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                      Reply#3 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:59 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":6572795,"authorDomain":"seilertechco"}

                      I disagree strongly with the belief that this will end without serious change, or that it's desirable to return to the status quo. My prediction, if it's not done now, is for punishing inflation because of the debt growth.

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                        #3.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:33 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":6577295,"authorDomain":"abspanky"}

                        Better start saving now since we are going to be paying even high taxes in the coming years to support Obama's sending bill. 3.6 Trillion dollars and were still not getting any better. Not to mention the government is the one spending the money so you know 1/3 of it is going to their pockets.

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                          #3.2 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:32 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":6580893,"authorDomain":"mac-chisolm"}

                          Regarless of what happens if American's don't start coming down on the price of everything this depression will last for many years to come. There are those that have jobs whom are not associated with this depression, your working, go figure. Those of us whom are still out of a job, this is a major depression for us. Right now it seems we are the bulk of the spending population that is dragging the economy down because we don't have jobs and we don't have any more money. America is tired of the greed in this country and prices need to come way down on everything. Housing prices are out of control, property taxes are outrageous, city and state governments whom can't manage their budgets to save their lives, school taxes, and nobody, nobody has the balls to fight back on costs with vendors. We are all in a price MESS! Well this has bred deflation and it is strong and well in this country and it is taking control of what you get as far as salary, home sales, etc. American greed bred it, now it lives to destroy economies. Think about it!

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                          #3.3 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:47 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":6586241,"authorDomain":"cheekylilchatter"}

                          What I didn't understand was last week I read an article that said if you have money (esp richer people) than its basically your fault we are still in this mess because you are not spending it. That if you have money to spend you should be out spending it to stimulate the economy, not saving it, not using it for retirement, etc, you should go out and buy buy buy!

                          how does that help? maybe in the short term, but not long. Maybe this depression/recession/financial mess is somewhat good. maybe we don't need a starbucks on every corner, a Macy's, Dillards, and a Sears at every mall. Maybe we can use this as an opportunity to shift our lifestyle to whats important, and create new jobs that are viable for the long term.

                          Or we could change how we do stuff now to what people want. if RVs are gas guzzlers, maybe theres a market for smaller more fuel effiecient ones (i read about some new ones in a travel catalog) make all vehicles a little different, make business' more effiecient, reduce waste in factories...etc...etc. theres some good that we can take out of this instead of just looking at the bad as if there was no hope.

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                            #3.4 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":6627641,"authorDomain":"schpenkman"}

                            You are absolutely right. This recession is good and neccessary. People are angry because their free ride is over. There was nothing of value supporting the economy. Get some education on how our economy works and live accordingly and never suffer again.

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                            #3.5 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:01 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":6627833,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                            A. Schpenkman

                            People are angry because their free ride is over

                            Could be your free ride is over.

                            A. Schpenkman

                            There was nothing of value supporting the economy

                            Nothing of value in your post.

                            A. Schpenkman

                            Get some education on how our economy works and live accordingly and never suffer again.

                            Do yourself a favor soon.

                            The real unemployment rate: 15.6% - MSN Money - New Investor Center

                            But the real national unemployment rate is far worse than the U.S ... The Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking this ... MSN Money's editorial goal is to provide a forum ...

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                              #3.6 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:13 AM EDT
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                              {"commentId":6572418,"authorDomain":"csposi"}

                              "During the Depression, I think the national suicide rate peaked at about 17 Americans per 100,000," he said. "Right now it is hovering between 10 and 11 (percent) and has been stable for several decades."....

                              I have a hard time believing that the suicide rate is 10 percent. 

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                                Reply#4 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":6572431,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                                32,000 a year. Not sure what they are in Elkhart.

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                                  #4.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
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                                  {"commentId":6572606,"authorDomain":"sweetlindy"}

                                  Obviously between 10 and 11 (percent) is a typo, they meant 10 per 100,000. God help us if 10 out of 100 people are committing suicide.

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                                  Reply#5 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":6575700,"authorDomain":"preacher-creatur"}

                                  why? I'd be hoping for that number if not more.

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                                  #5.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:13 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":6590903,"authorDomain":"HandC"}

                                  BRYAN wins the super citizen of the week award.

                                  (kind of like winning employee of the month at a death camp)

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                                    #5.2 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:03 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6723768,"authorDomain":"preacher-creatur"}

                                    ty I appreciate that, I'd like to thank my family and friends for this award, my government for making this all happen. Hope to see ya next year, maybe we'll get some better number's and I can repeat on my citizen of the year award.

                                    Good night all

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                                      #5.3 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:13 AM EDT
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                                      {"commentId":6572691,"authorDomain":"seilertechco"}

                                      The problems root cause is the US monetary system and the Federal Reserves issuance of debt, as the method of increasing our nation's money supply since 1913. I believe a log term and growing failure of the US monetary system is the reason 95 of 100 new businesses fail in the first 5 years and the citizens are not being served by the status quo US monetary system. Rather the financial, legal and government sectors have grown at the expense of the productive populace.

                                      Please use "total US debt, public and private, bearing interest" as a measure of my dissatisfaction.

                                      Our for-fathers created a monster in 1913 that can be illustrated by the graph of a dollar, compounded at 6% yearly since then. It shows graphically the total US debt and the level of growth that is nearly exactly represented by the simple graph. By the graph, one can see a rate of growth of the total US debt that is increasing at a rate aproaching a doubling yearly. Interest, recapitalized into new debt, year after year, is unsustainable, but is exactly what is occurring.

                                      Growth of the financial, legal and government sectors have burdened the production populace within each monetary system in our world. Their portion of the US GDP is well over 50% now.

                                      The needs of Jane and Joe productive citizen is not being served by our government, but instead propaganda and deceipt (the very life blood of the monster) are fed to us. Serious unhealthy alliances have developed as illustrated by Madoff and others, known and unknown . We hoped this monster could be "changed", but have no illusions about the enormity of the task.

                                      Every western country went to a debt based system at the same time around the early part of the century and all are afflicted with the punishment from this monster. How do we find relief when there is no discussion of anything beyond piling debt on debt.

                                      We need an equity based US Treasury Dollar. The subject is taboo however as the sheep would be set free of the wolves plan to financially enslave them. Jesus overthrew the money changers for a reason.

                                      Personally I think many public officials are committing treason to the US Constitution and many have a conflict of interest or two.

                                      In addition to the above measure, please find a way to measure the amount of fraud in the justice system as a gage of my optimism that we will really see a change. I hear and testify that it's rampent and rules openly are violated at high level.

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                                      Reply#6 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":6598781,"authorDomain":"tgozamora"}

                                      absolutely correct

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                                        #6.1 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:13 AM EDT
                                        {"commentId":6610861,"authorDomain":"ddoghouse"}

                                        Amen brother. People should wake up and do some research on how money is created in the US of A. Every dollar created (either paper or on a computer) represents one dollar of debt owed by the US citizens to the Federal Reserve (a private entity). And if we paid off the national debt (under the current system) the last dollar would go out of circulation as the last dollar of debt was paid. As Henry Ford is quoted:

                                        "It is well enough that people do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

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                                        #6.2 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT
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                                        {"commentId":6572836,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}

                                        If there was a way to measure economic PAIN, obama would TAX IT.

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                                        Reply#7 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:37 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":6576642,"authorDomain":"joem2233"}

                                        Only if you make more than $250,000, though!

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                                          #7.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:35 PM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":6572860,"authorDomain":"shelbysmustang1967"}

                                          I feel for the people in Elkhart.  The RV manufacturers going down is tough, I know, but what about the rest of America in tough times?  It's not just Elkhart who is so bad off (again I mean NO offense to them) but I live in a "Monaco-town" in Oregon, Hines actually, and we sit at almost 25% unemployment rate.  Where's our help?  Really who's helping any of America? The only I've heard Obama say is what's happening and "we're creating jobs".  Where?  Indonesia?

                                          And you Mr. Marcopolousc,  People who have horses normally have money to raise and care for horses but when they break legs or get to old to "help on the farm, or ranch,"  they need put down.  It's humane to do!  But there are a lot of laws about how you can do that and THEN what you can do with them afterwards.  Keep in mind that you "city folks" truly DO NOT understand our ways of life out here "in the sticks"!!  But also because we live "in the sticks" doesn't mean we're poor OR dumb!!!

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                                          Reply#8 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:38 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6572976,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}

                                          I feel for Elkhart, BUT here in Eastern, Central Ohio we've lost MORE than them, NO HELP FOR US Either. Our Stimulus money is building infrastructure that nobody NEEDS ( Trolley Cars For Downtown Columbus) Out of state contractors are bidding the jobs. So much for the obama plan..

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                                          #8.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6573834,"authorDomain":"goldnmypoc2"}

                                          Charleston, SC is doing the same thing, new buses for transportation. Granted workers make these buses, I can only hope they make them here in the USA. This is not going to help many of the unemployed.

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                                          • 1 vote
                                          #8.2 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:13 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6660563,"authorDomain":"cymru"}

                                          Paul it is my understanding your city is spending your money right, not Obama?

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                                          #8.3 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:02 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6711791,"authorDomain":"dmpasserallo"}

                                          I'm with you Paul! Here in Elkhart, we're seeing the same thing - out of town contractors rebulding our roads and bridges! Oh, and let's not forget the 4.2 million in stimulus money to revamp an airport runway. Sheesh. No one from Elkhart county will be working on these projects. One thing people forget or don't know about is with the crash of the RV industry also went the housing industry. Modular housing was a huge industry here and it seems to me, that Elkhart could put most of it's work force back in the factories by building these affordable homes (once the banks start lending again, of course). So people can buy an $80,000 home (and they're nice and big, like 3 bedrooms, 2 full baths, spacious living rooms and kitchens - I was surprised at how UN-modular they really are inside) instead of a $250,000 one. Sorry, I'm from Elkhart - I don't understand the concept of a million dollar home! LOL!

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                                          #8.4 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:23 AM EDT
                                          {"commentId":7085154,"authorDomain":"bboommer"}

                                          Debbie, I believe one of the largest road and bridge contractors in Indiana and Michigan is based in Elkhart County, Indiana, and is 100% employee owned.

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                                          #8.5 - Thu May 14, 2009 6:53 PM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":6572954,"authorDomain":"oregon985"}

                                          That's what happen when you vote for the GOP.. 8 years of disasters and nightmare, with them in congress for a decade, look where it took the country !

                                          And for those @!$%#s, who shoot their horses why not call a rescue ?? I realize that horse rescues are overwelmed but shooting your horses ?? Call vets, shelters anybody you can think of, but do not shoot thoses poor animals ! I could care for a horse and would gladly take one or two, but unfortunatly, I am in europe.

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                                          Reply#9 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6572994,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}

                                          Thier animals for Christ sake. NOT HUMANS.

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                                          #9.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6573076,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}

                                          Also, I hope you stay in europe. Iran puts down people LIKE ANIMALS, but we want to be FRIENDS? Chavez Does the SAME, I would NOT shake hands or bow to ANYONE that was AGAINST MY Beliefs. So that tells me someone wants to BE JUST LIKE THEM. obama

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                                          #9.2 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:59 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6575771,"authorDomain":"preacher-creatur"}

                                          yeah this guy would take in the horse, then ask the government for money to help take care of it.

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                                          #9.3 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:19 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6578713,"authorDomain":"harnesswalter"}

                                          They still eat horses in Europe.

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                                          #9.4 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:43 AM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":6573002,"authorDomain":"patterson-1"}

                                          I only hope that the people we elected to serve us, do just that. People are running out of unemployment benefits, or already have. The Republicans need to do the right thing and give us the funds we need to weather this storm out,or retire from politics, because they won't get any more votes from the unemployed.

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                                          Reply#10 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6573774,"authorDomain":"gozounlimited"}

                                          Absolutely.....

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                                          • 2 votes
                                          #10.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6573867,"authorDomain":"goldnmypoc2"}

                                          Try to be unemployed for 15 months and know that it is just starting and is only going to get worse.

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                                          #10.2 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6579786,"authorDomain":"tjohnson01"}

                                          Unemployed for 15 months? I'm sorry, but if you can't find a job in 15 months, you're either not looking hard enough, or you don't want to work. No excuse for that whatsoever, and to blame the government, the economy, or anybody but yourself is a complete cop out.

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                                            #10.3 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:17 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":6579790,"authorDomain":"tjohnson01"}

                                            Unemployed for 15 months? I'm sorry, but if you can't find a job in 15 months, you're either not looking hard enough, or you don't want to work. No excuse for that whatsoever, and to blame the government, the economy, or anybody but yourself is a complete cop out.

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                                            #10.4 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:19 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":6604411,"authorDomain":"Jetleaf"}

                                            Spoken like someone who has a job. WTFE

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                                              #10.5 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6604629,"authorDomain":"Jetleaf"}

                                              Unemployed for 15 months? I'm sorry, but if you can't find a job in 15 months, you're either not looking hard enough, or you don't want to work. No excuse for that whatsoever, and to blame the government, the economy, or anybody but yourself is a complete cop out

                                              Spoken like someone that either has a job or doesn't need one.

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                                              #10.6 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6626340,"authorDomain":"goldnmypoc2"}

                                              I have never in my life been unemployed for more than 3 months. I have worked for over 41 years of my life and I have SS Statements to prove it. I work hard at getting a job in the profession I have been in for those 41 years. I have had plenty of jobs in 41 years with the last position lasting almost 8 years. This time around, whether my age has handicapped me as you always second guess the why's I have not been able to find full time work. I am working a part time position that will not support me right now.

                                              Until you are in some ones shoes being the almighty judge of the situation makes you the one copping out.

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                                              #10.7 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:07 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6626390,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                                              Ray W-1040373

                                              I'm sorry, but if you can't find a job in 15 months, you're either not looking hard enough, or you don't want to work

                                              Tell us all how you come by these words of so called wisdom. Do you have facts for this or what?

                                              The real unemployment rate: 15.6% - MSN Money - New Investor Center

                                              But the real national unemployment rate is far worse than the U.S ... The Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking this ... MSN Money's editorial goal is to provide a forum ...

                                              Is there something you know all people should? Have you bothered to read anything?

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                                                #10.8 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:14 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6635983,"authorDomain":"zskinla"}

                                                I have to agree, if you didn't find work for 15 months it's your fault. I live in South Carolina and the unemployment is the third highest in the nation. Yet, for months McDonalds has been advertising at the drive in for positons with a huge yellow sign. That says something.

                                                You will be unemployed for a long time because you only want the kind of job that you had before (being picky) or you are lazy.

                                                I have been layed off in a bad recession before and I delivered papers and cleaned houses. How about that. I had no problem paying my bills, but I actually had to work hard and long hours.

                                                No pitty from here. Also, you can move somewhere else where there are jobs and they are out there just have to try a little bit, that's all it takes!!!

                                                People are so spoiled in this country, it's pathetic!!! They want to be taken care of by big daddy. It's disgusting!!!

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                                                  #10.9 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":6711906,"authorDomain":"dmpasserallo"}

                                                  Whoa, people - you need a reality check and quit being so mean! In certain area's of the country, there is NO work. Elkhart is one of them. Our McDonald's is not hiring! A triple X dance club was, but I'm guessing that the unemployed factory worker didn't fit their requirements. And the reality is unemployment benefits versus a minimum wage job at 25 hours week isn't a hard choice to make when people are now living week to week. For years government made UI (unemployment insurance? I'm a business owner - it's called tax), easy and said you didn't have to take a job that paid less than what you were making. And now people just file online - where the heck around here are they applying for those 3 jobs a week when there's so few business even in business anymore? I wonder if there is anyone in Indy checking those stats? Ah, our lovely government officials - dems, repubs, all alike. They all should have to complete running a gas station, Burger King, copy store, something before they are allowed to run our country! It's a mess, that's for sure. We will have to dig ourselves out that's for sure. But I DO feel empathy for those who cannot find a job. I know them. They're here and I can look them in the eye and talk to them every day. I see what they are doing to bring in a paycheck. There's a 100 more unemployed this week - Valmont Industries (NOT RV related) is closing it's doors. Those who don't pity have never been backed into a corner with no way out in the foreseeable future. It's that bad here.

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                                                  #10.10 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:41 AM EDT
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                                                  {"commentId":6573108,"authorDomain":"imgame-1"}

                                                  Well pain is going to continue to be felt as most of the "banks" are still not viable.. there is one or two closing every week. Something like 30 banking companies have gone under. The news touts that bank of america is making a profit and the stock goes wild, JPM does well and the stock pops.. Goldman same thing.. We set the bar as low as a floormat and give them billions and they borrow money at next to zero.. of course they can turn a profit, that is until the almost free tax payer money goes away. Rising unemployment like in Elkhart is moving ever so slowly across the nation. The pundits are well its slowing.. yeah of course its slowing.. but the rate is still rising! Companies are closing their doors for good. Those jobs are not coming back. Automakers will go under sooner or later at least one of them. All the high paying jobs will be cut and somehow people doesn't think that will reach the rest of the nation. Consumer spending will slow way down even further, retailers will close. The largest mall owner is america has now gone belly up.. Commerical real estate is the next pain to deal with. We have a long way to go to rebuild cities and towns like Elkhart and middle america. Stop allowing compaines to outsource every job to india or china or where ever they can get labor for 1 buck a day. If you are holding on to bank stocks.. SELL them.. there will be more pain and a ton more losses to go where the government will not be able to dish out billions more to cover the losses. Call your broker today and get out of the banks.

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                                                  Reply#11 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":6573347,"authorDomain":"bamascumdog2"}
                                                  Bama Is A ScumDogDeleted
                                                  {"commentId":6573826,"authorDomain":"sheab49"}

                                                  why dont you people in elkhart indiana go out and live in wakarusa and drive for horizon transport.. they ve got a lot of money and connections to the money.. thier hiring,you can meet pro golfers they got a lot of money too..the guy that owns horizon knows capitalism, he can give you a lesson or two..he knows fema that guys on top of things..give em a call and drive a motorcoach tomorrow....

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                                                    Reply#13 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:13 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6583610,"authorDomain":"obscurereferencewoman"}

                                                    Because driving those coaches means that you have to pay for a commercial drivers license class, be on the road for days at a time and while you're gone you still have to pay bills before you get a paycheck. Let alone trying to find someone to care for the kids, house, etc.  And that's *if* you could get hired on in the first place.  If motorcoaches aren't selling, there's no need for drivers!

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                                                      #13.1 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:12 AM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":6627707,"authorDomain":"schpenkman"}

                                                      Congrats! You are a certified IDIOT!

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                                                        #13.2 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:05 AM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":6636152,"authorDomain":"zskinla"}

                                                        Poor people don't want to "leave their families and hometowns behind". Well than who cares if you are unemployed.

                                                        Do you want me to play the violin to your sorrow story?

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                                                          #13.3 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
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                                                          {"commentId":6574428,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                                                          Used to a dollar would buy a dozen eggs and a loaf of bread , now it wont buy either ,used to we didn't mind lending our neighbor a square of butter , now we wont loan em a plate to put it on , used to we would get together and have a house raising party , now we shut them down for the cost of rent .

                                                          How do you measure economic anguish?

                                                          Look in the faces of all the family of one soldier killed in war, look in the eyes of the elderly confined by life ,look in the faces of children ,going to school hungry ,look in the hearts of AMERICA , we are greatly numbered ,at least that would be a starting hefty hand full measure . I think attitude in the of hearts and minds working together everywhere ,would measure towards improving the loss of anguish . I admit it thar is no gold left in the dirt where I live , my house isn't very big , my income is very little ,but I would , give you a helping hand .

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                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          Reply#14 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:09 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":6601157,"authorDomain":"jracine"}

                                                          Star Smiles you sound like a very wise person. I wish there were more people in the world that have your values.

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                                                          #14.1 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:31 AM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":6996046,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                                                          A very delaed response here John Rac .Thank You for your kind words and reply .

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                                                          #14.2 - Mon May 11, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":7007068,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                                                          Very wise is correct.

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                                                            #14.3 - Mon May 11, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":7040351,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                                                            Thank You as well jbdaad , "wise" well I am not an owl ,and honestly I still am not sure exactly who Joe the plumber is supposed to represent , but on the topic of How Do You Measure Economic Depression / perhaps it is all about the monetary value on human strife, I buried my husband Saturday , I will now recieve a check for 255.00 - two hundred and fifty five dollars,a one time lump sum payment from Social Security for becoming a widow , is that supposed to make me comfortable ? Right now my comfort lays with in the realms of napping , reminding myself it is a sin to worry ,and knowing after surviving this crunch in living with ECONOMIC DEPRESSION , my house was paid for , years ago .

                                                            Families uniting ttogether and bonding closer working together will be a stronger force in defeating this strife in making ends meet under one roof , yep I am old fashioned , instead of parents running their newly wed sons and daughters off to make their own beds they should send them to work and add more rooms to an already paid for home from generation to generation .Imagine four full time incomes coming into one house hold ,everyone would prosper even on minimum wage incomes . Family values are lost in the debts of living costs ,self independence is lost to the cost of vanity.

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                                                            #14.4 - Tue May 12, 2009 6:57 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":7054112,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
                                                            Families uniting ttogether and bonding closer working together will be a stronger force in defeating this strife in making ends meet under one roof , yep I am old fashioned , instead of parents running their newly wed sons and daughters off to make their own beds they should send them to work and add more rooms to an already paid for home from generation to generation

                                                            In this age of seperation and the oxy-moron of tough love you are a god send StarSmiles. For you.

                                                            YouTube - Waylon Jennings - Luckenback, Texas

                                                            LUCKENBACH TEXAS ( back to the basics of love ) ... I grew up on Waylon and Willie, and will always remember Waylon ... 2009 YouTube, LLC

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                                                            #14.5 - Wed May 13, 2009 1:27 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":7085824,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                                                            tosses saw dust on tha floor and jumpn in me dancing boots , yee haa , good song thanks jbdaad

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                                                            #14.6 - Thu May 14, 2009 7:33 PM EDT
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                                                            {"commentId":6574592,"authorDomain":"jacintomock"}

                                                            pain and pride. i once lived in new york between 1986 and 1993. during those years the economy was not great, but everyone could afford their basic necessities. i had friends whom told me that some customers were denied services because they were on a so-called blacklist. i wondered then and now how do national hate and discrimination translate to the individual private grocer? why can't mom and pop do business with whomever they want? and why have to answer fone calls from the local police precint to screen their clients? during these difficult times are the local police precint going to help the grocers pay their bills?

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                                                            Reply#15 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:26 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":6574671,"authorDomain":"jacintomock"}

                                                            I lived in new york between 1986 and 1993. During that time the economy was not great, but everyone could afford their basic neccesities. My friends told me that some businesses refused to sell products to their clients because they were in a so-called blacklist. Why should the local police precint have to approve such a transaction? Why can't private, individual mom and pop grocers sell to whomever they want? Why should national hate and discrimination be translated to their level? Now that the economy is bad will the local precint help pay the bills for the local grocers?

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                                                              Reply#16 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:34 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":6574754,"authorDomain":"rv78"}

                                                              The story that is never discussed in all of this is the reality that that Social Security, by definition, is the largest state-sponsored Ponzi scheme in the history of the world.  The sad reality is that the exact issues that unions and businesses are experiencing with under-funded pensions in these troubled times will be repeated in a much larger scale with completely unfunded Social Security IOUs.  What happened to the much discussed "lock box" from the 2000 campaign?  It was spent by our Congress, much the same way that every other Congress the prior 60-some years had recklessly spent.

                                                               

                                                               We are almost at our day of reckoning.  We are now at a point where the 129 million ounces of gold in Fort Knox can't even cover the current year deficit.  How long will be until China asks to trade-in their $2 trillion in T-bonds for gold ... but since we cannot cover that request, instead they insist on a clear path to their "renegade province" of Taiwan? 

                                                               

                                                              President Obama and Congress are tax-and-spending-away our future as Rome burns.  Their recent poorly-disguised payola to their NEA (and UAW) supporters is disgusting.  They are insistent on investing our tax dollars in education, but they seem to overlook the fact that the reason our schools are so terrible is BECAUSE of these same NEA teachers.  It's not a coincidence that our private schools and many other nations' public schools do MUCH more with MUCH less.  It's simple how they do this -- no union! 

                                                              If we've learned anything the last 70 years, it is that the perhaps needed institutions and programs that were needed (unions, farm subsidies, "guaranteed" pension plans, Social Security INSURANCE, etc.) are are no longer needed.  And they cannot be paid for in a global market where there will not always be more young workers to pay for it all.  Ponzi schemes do not work forever!

                                                               

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                                                              Reply#17 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:43 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":6611049,"authorDomain":"ddoghouse"}

                                                              The latest numbers by the Social Security trustees is that there is (get ready) $101 TRILLION in unfunded liability in the Social Security and Medicaire/Medicaid system alone. This thing would have made old Ponzi soooooooo proud.

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                                                                #17.1 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:20 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":6611091,"authorDomain":"ddoghouse"}

                                                                PS and there is some debate as to whether this is ANY gold in Fort Knox. Some believe it has been transferred to the Federal Reserve as collateral for all the IOUs they hold of ours.

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                                                                  #17.2 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:21 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6620541,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                                                                  Nukeman-268739

                                                                  PS and there is some debate as to whether this is ANY gold in Fort Knox.

                                                                  With what you said in #15.1, does it really matter?

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                                                                  #17.3 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:21 PM EDT
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                                                                  {"commentId":6574809,"authorDomain":"rv78"}

                                                                  As far as Elkhardt does... I guess this is what happens when an entire community hitches their wagon to one industry... and in this case a small portion of that industry that requires their customers to have enough discretionary income to buy $150,000 mobile homes, not to mention the gas to run them. PERHAPS in the last 20 years, these people should have been saving a bit for the coming rainy day!? It's now pouring... they should have their own umbrella. In reality, they do all have jet skis and boats should it continue to rain for the next 40 days.

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                                                                  Reply#18 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:48 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6575229,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}

                                                                  Rick-868962

                                                                  PERHAPS in the last 20 years, these people should have been saving a bit for the coming rainy day!?

                                                                  The real unemployment rate: 15.6% - MSN Money - New Investor Center

                                                                  But the real national unemployment rate is far worse than the U.S ... The Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking this ... MSN Money's editorial goal is to provide a forum ...

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                                                                  #18.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:26 PM EDT
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                                                                  {"commentId":6574950,"authorDomain":"diane-beatty"}

                                                                  I feel really badly for the newly unemployed.  They will reap the benefits of unemployment insurance, and have part of that as untaxed income, as well as extensions under Obama's administration.  This is much different than those of us that were run out of jobs by the environmentalists in the 80's.  Coos County, Oregon has just about died.  Unemployment rates has hovered between 10 and 15% since the spotted owl shut down our forrests and mills, and that is now going up.  The federal gov't then made 'public lands' our of much of our taxable forest property.  Schools are going broke, people have no jobs, homes are decaying, roads are in disrepair, and yet we hear about the NEW recession!  Wake up - it never went away - it just finally got where it affected YOU.  Take your heads out of your own city or town and see what it is like in other areas.  I don't feel sorry for any of you for living above your means, not saving enough in case of a catastrophy, and expecting me - out of my minimum wage job with my house paid for - to pay enough taxes to let you stay in your home that is 3 times nicer and newer than mine.

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                                                                  Reply#19 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:01 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6590964,"authorDomain":"HandC"}

                                                                  Unemployment benefits are taxable

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                                                                  #19.1 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:06 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6636335,"authorDomain":"zskinla"}

                                                                  Thank you DEE BEE!!! You are absolutely right. They were making enought money to save and they didn't.

                                                                  You reap what you sow!!!

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                                                                    #19.2 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
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                                                                    {"commentId":6574966,"authorDomain":"oldsage"}

                                                                    For the last 40 years Americans have been putting their fellow American out of work through buying foreign products. There was no way to get around the situation we now find ourselves in. On top of that all the top administators of every business had to make at least a quarter million per year irregardless of the financial status of the current year. In many ways the affluent businessmen of today brought us the present day situation. Many of us senior folks could see what lay ahead of us, with shelves being stocked full of foreign products. If you don't seek out American products you are a part of the problem. Should have listened to Ross Perrot.

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                                                                      Reply#20 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:03 PM EDT
                                                                      {"commentId":6575881,"authorDomain":"preacher-creatur"}

                                                                      Well you are right Al, but unfortuantly american products aren't like they used to be, I buy the product that I won't need to replace in 6 months or 3 years, like our crappy american cars. I purchased a brand new 2004 dodge, had the engine replaced a year later, was put together wrong, every chev, dodge I've owned has sucked. I owned 1 toyota was the best car I ever owned, and I plan on buying another one once this p.o.s. dodge falls apart, which could literally be any day.

                                                                      I would love to buy american once they start making products good again.

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                                                                      #20.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:28 PM EDT
                                                                      {"commentId":6587358,"authorDomain":"cheekylilchatter"}

                                                                      How do you buy American when that is not an option? tell me where to find these American goods. I shop at Menards because their ads always list whats made in the USA but how about everywhere else?

                                                                      i admit I drive a foreign car, because i couldn't afford an american car! blame the unions for that.

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                                                                        #20.2 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":6598395,"authorDomain":"funkdrum2002"}

                                                                        Trying to buy American products only is not even possible anymore! I've tried, Where do you go to find these American made products? Walmart as everyone knows is really China-Mart, Kmart has to follow suit just to stay in business, and that seems to be the formula for sucess\survival. I HATE chinese made products, their CRAP! They're made on the premise that you the comsumer will have to come back and buy another one because the one that you bought in the first place has fallen apart or stopped working. I tried to buy a new quality lamp for my house and went to Lowes and guess what all they sold was Chinese made CRAP!!!

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                                                                          #20.3 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:36 PM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":6611281,"authorDomain":"ddoghouse"}

                                                                          I wouldn't buy GM or Chrysler if I had to walk first. Any companies whose a**-clown management allows their unions to drive then off a cliff and then comes begging to the rest of us to bail them out, DO NOT deserve my business and will not get it.

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                                                                          #20.4 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT
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                                                                          {"commentId":6575215,"authorDomain":"jandy72"}

                                                                          So much negativity, so much anger, resentment and fear..all being fed by the doom and gloom scenario of the republicans. Complaints about everything, spending, taxes, deficit. The argument goes that we are robbing our children and grandchildren of their future by having to pay for this debt we are incurring .Well I look at it this way, we started with a trillion dollar debt from the last 8 years and what do we have to show for it? Nothing, except military heroes that have come home in a box and defense contractors that have been making millions at the expense of our military personal. At least with the stimulus plan we'll have something to show for the debt. It's either leave our children, etc with debt or a broken down, run down country that will look like a third world refugee camp in 20 years. If the republicans were elected where would we be right now? Worse off, that's for sure and the wealthy would be getting richer because the republicans think that the only thing to do is cut taxes. Well, how can one benefit from a lower tax rate if your not working to pay taxes? All these people that are qualifying for renegotiated mortgages and being able to stay in their homes, where would they be living? On the streets, in tent cities (that are already springing up around the country) Without extending unemployment the soup lines would already be forming.We need to stand strong, help our family, friends and neighbors when we can and remain united. That's the only way to get through this. And the republicans need to get off it and accept that President Obama is here to stay and start contributing to their positions in the house and senate and come up with some better ideas than tax cuts. We voted for change not the same old tired deadbeat ideas that only benefit the wealthy.

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                                                                          Reply#21 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:26 PM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":6580552,"authorDomain":"seilertechco"}

                                                                          "The argument goes that we are robbing our children and grandchildren of their future by having to pay for this debt we are incurring".

                                                                          It's worse than that. There is no way they can pay the debt or even the interest on the debt. We are going to make them financial slaves, working just to eat and have a place to live (homeless shelters will expand for your (and my) children). We are giving them a standard of living that is becoming third world. Having money and loosing it is much worse than never having it.

                                                                          The US debt is doubling yearly now. $2 trillion becomes $4; $4 becomes $8; $8 becomes $16; $16 becomes $32; $32 becomes $64. In five years we will be in debt over $100 trillion, many more times the total amount of money that exists. Pay it back...sorry but the math says that's not remotely possible, ever. Unless we make structural change, we will by slaves to the financial community in only a couple more years.

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                                                                          #21.1 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:15 AM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":6611418,"authorDomain":"ddoghouse"}

                                                                          Janet. Which federal programs, for which we pay taxes, are allowed by the Constitution? NOT Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, highways, ad naseum. National defense is one of the only Constitutionally permitted expenses of the Federal Republic you live in. So take your sarcasm about the heroes who have died to protect your sorry a** and shove it.

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                                                                            #21.2 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":6676439,"authorDomain":"mwrightson"}

                                                                            Janet A-Men to you. President Obama didn't just walk in and sit down. He was voted in by the people . He inherited a mess he did not create. Give him a chance. The only people who seem against him are the ones who want no change in the White House . Those who want to continue getting richer on the taxpayers dollar. He has a definite plan,and no one is going to distract him. I also notice the amount the of officials, CIOs, tax cheats, government officials and etc's that are being brought to light.

                                                                            You can't make a change without making a change.

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                                                                              #21.3 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:40 AM EDT
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                                                                              {"commentId":6575776,"authorDomain":"rubys-765"}

                                                                              In my county there are at least 1500 homeless school children. Most families don't realize that they are considered homeless when they live with other relatives, in motels, or move about from friend to friend.

                                                                              We have empty homes(foreclosed) that have declining value and taxes aren't being paid. If we let the people stay in the homes until the new owner has use for it, we might come out ahead. A local mechanism should be in place to at least collect enough money from tenants to pay property taxes, which supports police, fire, hospitals, schools (the really big ticket items).

                                                                              If tenants get public funds, that money should be diverted to pay property taxes and in return the disadvantaged get a roof over their heads. We can't afford to give away free money that doesn't stay in the system. Not one dollar should pay for manicures, gambling, alcohol, gas (get a buspass or walk), cigarettes, animal grooming, cable, cellphones, etc.

                                                                              What are local public officials doing, besides hiding? We can think our way out of problems. The federal government can't solve all of our problems, ever.

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                                                                              Reply#22 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:19 PM EDT
                                                                              {"commentId":6636696,"authorDomain":"zskinla"}

                                                                              Here's another winer.

                                                                              First of all, if you can't afford children, guess what, don't have them.

                                                                              Second don't buy a house or car or anything else you can't afford. Buying a house on an adjustable rate for someone who plans to stay in that home for a long time is stupid and idiotic!! They deserve to pay for their stupidity.

                                                                              Third we already have planty of freeloaders who are too lazy to support themselves and/or their families. We need to stop all this government waste on worthless idiots. The only exceptions are mentally challenged, veterans, and the disabled. Everyone else should not get a penny for anything from the government or state, other than unemployment. Anyone who doesn't earn a living should be abandoned. Period.

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                                                                                #22.1 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
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                                                                                {"commentId":6576495,"authorDomain":"nightowl730"}

                                                                                What union does AIG, citi group, leeman brothers, and mr. madoff belong to ? It seems to me they have caused more damage to our finace system than any union has!

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                                                                                Reply#23 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:23 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":6576833,"authorDomain":"lcolon45"}

                                                                                I think they're members of the look-out-for-yourself union. As for labor unions, they're costing more jobs to go places and then destroy the unions itself in the end. The big plus is for them that they don't pay union dues.

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                                                                                #23.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:51 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":6579428,"authorDomain":"MR9929"}

                                                                                Did it ever occur that those who belong to the unions are also hurting, unions aren't the problem and they didn't create this recession but it's real easy to blame them.

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                                                                                #23.2 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:55 AM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":6579825,"authorDomain":"tjohnson01"}

                                                                                Yes they are. Unions are the reason American made cars are of such poor quality and are so expensive to produce compared to foreign models. If someone is in the union, it's almost impossible to fire them regardless of reason, and the company is forced to overpay them to do as little work as possible.

                                                                                I worked at the GM plant south of Ft. Wayne, IN for a summer and can attest I've never seen a more inefficient use of manpower and equipment, due largely to the union rules that specify who can do which job, and no overlap is allowed whatsoever. For example: If your machine breaks down, even if you know how to fix it, you're not allowed to touch it, because fixing machines is the machinist's job. So instead of pressing the 'reset' button, you have to call the machinist, wait 30-45 minutes for him to show up, then watch him press the reset button. Oh, and during that 45 minutes, you were making $40-60/hour to basically do assembly line factory work.

                                                                                Yeah, unions are awesome..

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                                                                                #23.3 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:44 AM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":6596968,"authorDomain":"tualb"}

                                                                                It's awesome to see the money wasted on CEO's and other useless executives. They have a contract that gives them money for nuthin'

                                                                                and chicks for free. As the saying goes "set the example" and boy do

                                                                                they do a great job at the top levels. Tens of millions of dollars plus

                                                                                incredible benefits, stock options (back-dated of course) and use of

                                                                                company owned jets, I could go on and on. Unions are a problem for

                                                                                some industries but it's hard to lay the blame on them when most

                                                                                CEO's make 400 times the average salary of their own employees

                                                                                ....it's all about getting my millions at the expense of many others.

                                                                                When that changes then maybe you can begin to correct the problems

                                                                                with the unions. The greed of CEO's and executives (and let's not

                                                                                forget the hedge-fund pirates) has laid open a wound in this country

                                                                                that many folks won't soon forget. We have all given up pensions, some

                                                                                portion or quality of health insurance, raises, bonuses and or small stock

                                                                                options over the years. What have CEO's and executives given up ?

                                                                                Nothing.....their wealth has grown exponentially....it's disgusting, like

                                                                                pigs at a trough. Yeah.....CEO's and their ilk, they're awesome!!

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                                                                                  #23.4 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
                                                                                  {"commentId":6636537,"authorDomain":"lcolon45"}

                                                                                  And here's another example: Thomas Industries in Colorado had two plants, one here in Wisconsin and the other in Louisiana. They were going to consolidate operations at one of the two locations, and shut down the other. Since the one here is union-represented, and management wanted them in on discussions as to why they should expand operations here. They wouldn't show up because they had a stink about part-time jobs. So the 300 Wisconsin jobs went to Lousiana, both UNION and non-union jobs. Now, more union people have been added to the unemployment line.

                                                                                  Maybe the unions aren't the cause of the recession, but they sure add to it with their stupidity. Keep believing that they're the great almighty. And see how that helps when you're unable to care for your family. I was in a union once, and it sucked. I was far better off on my own.

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                                                                                  #23.5 - Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
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                                                                                  {"commentId":6576674,"authorDomain":"cadirector"}

                                                                                  All we have read about lately is how banks and businesses are either going out of business or on the brink of going out of business, how people have lost their job and have lost their home or on the verge of losing their home, and the increase in violent crimes but I don't believe any city, state, county or federal official is hurting yet. I've worked in the private sector for over 25 years and am fortunate to still have a job but go to work everyday knowing that could be my last day. I have seen the company I work for go from 700 + employees, during the good days, to about 250 - 300 emloyees now. Just about everybody has had to make some kind of sacrifice but I would like to ask all of our so called leaders what have they had to give up? Are you still driving around in a city, county, state or federal vehicle? Are you getting a gas allowance instead of being reimbursed for the actual miles you drive? Are the taxpayers buying your lunch everyday? You still have the same staff you had 2 years ago? I'm willing to bet that not much, if anything has changed for them so how can they possibly know how bad the economy really is when it really isn't affecting them that much?

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                                                                                    Reply#24 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:38 PM EDT
                                                                                    {"commentId":6576738,"authorDomain":"cadirector"}

                                                                                    All we have read about lately is how banks and businesses are either going out of business or on the brink of going out of business, how people have lost their job and have lost their home or on the verge of losing their home, and the increase in violent crimes but I don't believe any city, state, county or federal official is hurting yet. I've worked in the private sector for over 25 years and am fortunate to still have a job but go to work everyday knowing that could be my last day. I have seen the company I work for go from 700 + employees, during the good days, to about 250 - 300 emloyees now. Just about everybody has had to make some kind of sacrifice but I would like to ask all of our so called leaders what have they had to give up? Are you still driving around in a city, county, state or federal vehicle? Are you getting a gas allowance instead of being reimbursed for the actual miles you drive? Are the taxpayers buying your lunch everyday? You still have the same staff you had 2 years ago? I'm willing to bet that not much, if anything has changed for them so how can they possibly know how bad the economy really is when it really isn't affecting them that much?

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                                                                                    Reply#25 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:43 PM EDT
                                                                                    {"commentId":6576876,"authorDomain":"cadirector"}

                                                                                    I would hate to be an incumbent in the next election year. This crisis will not be over and I think 30 to 40% of the incumbents will be ousted. If people really want a change, we would start electing new people and hold them more accountable that the current bunch of crooks and at some point in time we have to stop promising elected officials everything under the sun or our economic problems will never go away.

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                                                                                      Reply#26 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:55 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":6580809,"authorDomain":"seilertechco"}

                                                                                      This should extend to the judiciary. They are now letting so much fraud into the courts by attorneys that they can't discern truth. This clogs up the courts and makes rulings arbitrary. It is part of the deceit problem in all levels of government.

                                                                                      In Miami County Indiana, one attorney told me the bar was having "open competition to see who could get away with the biggest lie". Justice is not the goal. If it were, and open schemes were prosecuted, we would not have Madoff and the ones not caught yet running the country.

                                                                                      I went to grad school at IU in a public management program. We learned that about 30% of the government is involved in some level of corruption. But to pass the class, one has to agree that the civil service is OK in protecting the criminals and that there is nothing that could or should be done about it. I disagree and failed the class. I believe law school is the same. Unless you agree to the perpetuation of the open corruption, you will be eliminated from the program.

                                                                                      Those of you who think unions are the problem had better look at the civil service system and the bar association, both with no oversight, although they are "self-policing institutions".

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                                                                                        #26.1 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:39 AM EDT
                                                                                        {"commentId":7154799,"authorDomain":"grog2012"}

                                                                                        Oh my stars! R U ALL so ever right! I worked 7 years in a major metropolitan homeless mission in our state. The national, state, and local levels of corruption in all areas of the judicial, ministry, even the lay men of most areas you wouldn't even think about being corrupt are unconscionable! I lived in Elkhart 10 years and moved 99 miles 20 years ago because my divorce stated I couldn't move 100! If you remember Matheny's "daytrip" release you'll know why I chose to do it that way! For the average person you can live "under the rule" of what you are told. For those who's job it is to work in that environment you find a way to reap personal rewards for something you should already be doing. YOUR JOB! As for employment, I have been looking for the right job for 16 months! I have sold on ebay, craigslist, websites, had rummage and yard sales, tutored sewing, reading, computer use, done resumes, taxes, databases, flyers, anything I can to keep milk in the frig for my family. Do I view myself as unemployed, no. The "real job" interviews I have been on in the last year have mainly been scams, making me spend $20 in gas to go 60 miles away, to be told, "other candidates better qualified" or "interviewing more candidates", or "go thru the unemployment office to have them spend $2500 to put accronyms behind your name because your license to teach in this very state means you are "underemployed." WTF? RU KIDDING ME? Their normal fee $8500! I'm no longer looking for a job now and I get another call to invest $760 in a class on training to sell insurance......gotta go just sold my trashcan on craigslist! :)

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                                                                                        #26.2 - Mon May 18, 2009 11:03 PM EDT
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