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Fears for furniture store's future

As the jobless rate rises in Elkhart, the pain is spreading to those who provide goods and services to the community.

For example, the recession has made itself comfortable in Ann Cari's furniture showroom and refuses to leave.

Over an eight-day stretch in March, not a single potential customer walked through the door of the Inside Outlet, the 40,000-square-foot store that Cari owns and operates in Elkhart.

Now the 75-year-old grandmother figures that unless her unwanted guest leaves, she has just two months before she'll be forced to close the business she spent decades building. If that happens, nine more people, including Ann, will join the long unemployment lines in Elkhart, and the city will no longer have a major furniture retailer.

While the prospect of losing the business that she's operated from the showroom on Bristol Avenue since 1992 troubles her, Cari said that laying off her eight remaining employees would be the worst blow.

"I'm really very concerned about my people," she said. "… They've become family."

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{"commentId":6359651,"authorDomain":"sonny-sharma"}

I used to work in Elkhart, IN... Pretty town... Sad to hear about job losses and the pain the city/people are going through.

Stay strong Elkhart... we will come out stronger than ever!

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    #1.1 - Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6361596,"authorDomain":"sales-63"}

    Mike: Good story and I appreciate the highlight of the economical impact on local businesses. After reading the article, I had myself thinking two things.

    1.) While I know this is not the complete root cause of the situation in Elkhart (and other parts of America for that matter) is negative media and press causing an increase in the momentum of hardship and negativity? For example, I looked at the web version of Elkharts Truth Newspaper today and here are some of the headlines: Summer jobs will be scarse, another meth lab cleaned up in Goshen Monday night, More than 50 die in shootings since March, etc etc.

    I believe that positive energy breeds positive results and negative energy creates negative results. While times are hard, would things be better if we focused on positive change and the good things going on in our communities?

    2.) As a speaker and business consultant, I can't help but wonder what type of programs, services, and training is being offered to the business owners and professionals struggling to maintain growth within the market place? In the case of the furniture owner, is it truly that NO ONE in the town and the surrounding area is buying furniture or are purchases being made with a larger chain in a close by town? Is she marketing? Is she making it easy for people to purchase (i.e. offering finance terms, accepting credit cards, layaway, etc)?

    Tony Johnson

    President & CEO

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    Reply#2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6387314,"authorDomain":"richadrp"}

    The mindset of the country has been living on credit, Wages in this country have not kept pace with inflation and there has been such a disparity of income between the worker and executive that people who work are in poverty, the working poor. this is so wrong.

    Along with changing the laws to form comglomarates in the financial indusrty, the laws have been changed to outsouce a lot of our manufacturing base. How can a country survive when the people cannot find jobs to buy the products and goods that are made here?

    Hoarding massive wealth is not the way to make an economy run. The Govt. has to print out money to keep the economy going and that devalues the currency. I say, How much is enough?

    Many people are suffering for the few who have been greedy. That's what this is all about. Live by credit, and it comes back to bite you.

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    #2.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 10:00 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6406363,"authorDomain":"xmax76"}

    I couldn't agree more. As a shop manager, I see people buying a $20 oil change and pay with a $100 bill. The excuse is .....I don't have the money. By the way.....the vehicle is a 2007 Hummer ($60K+ vehicle).

    Our gov't is de-valuing the amperican dollar. Cut spending.......Obama (and congress) has spent more money in the past 90 days that anyone in the history of the U.S.

    In the mean time, people like myself have to pinch every penny. My family literally lives on $60 of groceries every 2 weeks. My wife (a certified teacher) has been out of work since December 2008. Jobs here in Savannah,Ga are dropping like flies while the business owners are scalping the work force. Guess what.....NO JOB.....NO PAY.....NO BUY = NO JOB!

    Chris

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    #2.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:54 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6361611,"authorDomain":"tfreed1"}

    I graduated from EHS and still have strong ties to the community. I know the city will bounce back.

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    Reply#3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6361624,"authorDomain":"dougd64"}

    i have been to elkhart before to tour some of the rv plants,im in the rv business. it has been hard on everybody,with rv plants closing and dealers going out of business it has put alot of people out of work. we did have six rv dealers here,now its only two,for now! we have done everything that we can do to stay open.we still have units to sell but the plant has closed and we cant do any warranty work for the customer because we wont get paid!! so we cant stand behind the unit!something has to change for the better..soon!!

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    Reply#4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:57 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6362275,"authorDomain":"marketinginhawaii"}

    Having lived and worked in the RV industry (reseller) in Elkhart from 1996 -2001 I found that just about all of the people to be good, honest and as hard working a bunch of people one could ever hope to find. It is indeed a shame that what is happening there has brought this town to national attention.

    Like other communites that are stuggling one has to look at what the area has to offer from extensive rail lines to now a great deal of warehouse space (unfortunately) to being on a national interstate (80). I know that being just 90 miles from Chicago you are close enough to offer low rents and YES probably lower wages than Chicago probably has to offer and maybe offer tax free or reduced porpety taxes as employing people will probably have a great multiplier effect on the community.

    Till credit loosens up the RV industry for the most part will be in the tank and one cannot keep on hoping that this will change overnight.Elkhart ask yourself what you have going for you and market it to all around you.

    Now living in Hawaii and having a marketing consulting business we as a State are experiencing drastic fallout in revenue as well. However, as I tell my clients and propsects as well...we still will be having over 6 million visitors this year and each one of them are coming with money to spend...so you have to get out there and let them know about you, your products and services and if it means taking only a 10% profit instead of a 25%+ profit you will still be in business during thess tough times and be positioned for when the good times will roll once again. If a buisness does not market itself..it will not be a business.

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    Reply#5 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6430792,"authorDomain":"billyjoeraybobbubba"}

    I have lived in Elkhart since May of 1993, and work there today. I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Eberle about the tight credit issue. One of my neighbors has been out of work mostly since last October, and his stated reason:

    "...we have orders, but the banks won't lend us the money to cover cost of purchasing materials, so we can't fill the orders!"

    Washington DC has made a big noise about bailing out the banks, but the same banks who have taken the bailout cash won't lend to the businesses. Since Washington has no real plan, oversight or accountability on all that money, how on earth can we hope for government to effect a recovery from this? As I see it, accountability is at the core of this issue, and DC hasn't even begun to address that point.

    I want to see Elkhart bounce back too, but I don't think the current situation in our national government is going to bring it back. I think our local businesses and banks need to form some serious alliances and fight our way out without depending on DC.

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      #5.1 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:48 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":6363036,"authorDomain":"cooprh"}

      I grew up in Elkhart, but then I moved south when the job market went south...that was in 1974. Elkhart's RV business has seen these times before-and survived. It's upsetting to see see Elkhart described as the "poster child of depression", because I have faith that the spirit and work ethic of Elkhartians will prevail. I have lived in the South for over 20 years, and we are experiencing high unemployment as well - many small towns, like mine, are tied into the auto industry as suppliers. Needless to say, we have double digit unemployment too. I hope Elkhart and my own town can figure out a way to reinvent themselves and hang in there. By the way...no matter where you are in the US, expect to feel the crunch. "Houston - we have a problem" may not be that far off.

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        Reply#6 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:59 PM EDT
        {"commentId":6371373,"authorDomain":"john-mutchler"}

        Be careful when using a broad-based writing pen to characterize towns throughout the south as "experiencing high unemployment...." Some may be, so name a few. Many are not, so maybe you could also name a few of them. How about the north Texas area? I don't automatically "expect to feel the crunch" because I am in the US. Houston has always had that problem, it seems. Perhaps it's time to find the place that has the solution...

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          #6.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:59 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":6363132,"authorDomain":"bastets-kitten"}

          Unfortunately, places like Elkhart and Detroit will experience the worst of the crunch because their respective industries and businesses were based on products that people with expendable money or credit could buy. Now, no one has any expendable money (except for people like the Hiltons), and you have to have near-perfect credit to get any sort of loan. When the economy contracts, people can't afford big ticket items, so those industries tank first. It's the natural progression of things when you base your economy on producing luxury items.

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            Reply#7 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 5:04 PM EDT
            {"commentId":6371422,"authorDomain":"john-mutchler"}

            Why pick on the Hiltons? Do you know anyone who has purchased a Starbucks coffee lately? Is our economy really based on producing luxury items? I read where about two-thirds of our economy is now service-related. What is a luxury item in the service sector? A lawyer when you need one? A doctor who makes house calls? Help me understand here...

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              #7.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:06 AM EDT
              {"commentId":6402623,"authorDomain":"bastets-kitten"}

              1. I was using the Hiltons as a hyperbolic example that multimillionaires are the only ones with disposable income anymore. The middle class is almost extinct.

              2. I don't know anyone who has purchased a Starbucks coffee because I live in a small town in the Midwest without a Starbucks, but even if I did live near a Starbucks, I don't think I could make myself pay $4.00 for $.75-worth of coffee.

              3. When I spoke of luxury items and economy, I was referring to Elkhart, which was the subject of the article. RV's are a luxury item, and Elkhart built its entire economy around them.

              4. Service-related luxury items include animal grooming, chauffers, maids, nannies, personal accountants, etc. Doctors don't make housecalls anymore, and being able to hire a lawyer IS a luxury. If you can afford to pay a lawyer, then you have expendable income.

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                #7.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6405759,"authorDomain":"advocate1"}

                Lets be honest about the RV Industry.  Most of the buyers of high ticket RV's couldn't afford them in the first place and only bought them as toys they could get, with little or no money down, for instant gratification. Elkharts RV Industry is no different than Wall Street, the Real Estate Business and General Motors.  To many years of easy money for middle class Americans to purchase products they didn't need and couldn't really afford. The RV Industry was exactly the same bubble as the Real Estate Imdustry.  My wife and I were offered an $90,000 RV for the cost of taxes and registration, on a 20 year contract, that has now cost some bank at least $45,000 when the eventual buyer realized he would be upside down for life and couldn't, after monthly paymemnts,  even afford to store it much less use it.

                For the most part the RV indistry is the perfect example of too much for too long, followed by too, little too late..... and, just as will General Motors, it will join all the other dinosaurs and become extinct.

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                  #7.3 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:13 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":6431477,"authorDomain":"billyjoeraybobbubba"}

                  Riverside Bob has a clear and valid point here. We've all spent way over our heads for a long time, and known it was wrong, even while doing it.

                  Another of my neighbors some years back was put out of work at a quite well-paying job. He never re-employed, since he could not find a job at a rate comparable to his earlier salary. His answer to how to deal with adversity was to buy an RV! Out of a job, not earning a dime, he bought an RV...and he died a year later in poverty. Guys, that's no way to deal with adversity, God rest his soul!

                  We as Elkhartans need to buckle up our belts, pull on our boots and weather this. If it means moving in with family, moving to where we can get jobs, working whatever job it takes, then that's what we'll have to do. Observe the situation, adjust our behaviors, and overcome the adversity. Don't call this a platitude, read it for what it is. I see plenty of yards that need raked (and mine is one of them), yet nobody has knocked on my door yet.

                  Over the last 8 years, I've spend my every waking hour (outside of my normal job) in school or doing volunteer work that led to greater competence in my chosen field of employment. LOTS of money have I spent to educate myself, at no cost to my various employers...and I'm still employed. There's a lesson there, and I learned it from my dad down home. Take what you need, and save the rest. Period.

                  Dad spent my whole life trying to teach me and my siblings his ethics (learned during the depression of the '30s), and largely succeeded. Thank you dad. I sure miss you. But I won't ever forget the "difference between my needs and my wants." Just like you said, once I learned that, everything else got a bunch easier in life.

                  I look back on the recent tornado damage to the town of Nappanee, and recall how Washington DC scorned them by not giving them a handout from the Katrina-bred coffers of FEMA after their people rebuilt. Nappanee's folks just put on their boots and did the work. Now its our turn.

                  Folks, that's the way I was raised. I'm not sorry that I've missed the chance to own a quarter-million dollar home or a fancy RV, but I do have a home, years of college education & diplomas, and I didn't get those handed to me on a silver spoon. You can do it too. I've faced the gangs and the drug dealers right here on my street, while working two jobs and going to school and paying all my bills. The gangs came and went, and some day, I'll go too...that's just the way it is...but while I'm here, that's just the way I'll live. Thank you dad and mom.

                  Godspeed Elkhart. Put your boots on!

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                    #7.4 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":6364148,"authorDomain":"dave-69"}

                    Ann Murry sang I would like a little good news today. That should be our countrys song. Have the papers start printing all the good things people are doing for all unfortunate people in this country. We need to pull together and maybe start buying american again and put, our people to work. We don't have a town name china here.

                    do

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                    Reply#8 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:01 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":6405413,"authorDomain":"joeyfromcali"}

                    Well put. Everytime we go to wallie world AKA Walmart and buy some pressboard furniture its throwing money at China. In order for Us to get jobs rolling here we need some good ol American roll up your sleeves inginuty. We need to relearn the trades that made us great. and make it ourselves. Buying from mom and pop shops whenever possible and asking who made this or that.

                    Buying used is also very American in hard times. See china can only make that used item the one time. Then its here and an American owns it. When we insist on buying new it tends to let money slip out of our country. But when you buy that perfectly good lawnmower From the guy down the street it keeps that money here for at least another transaction.

                    Not to mention $50 - $100 is way better than $250 new Craftsman mower for example. We have the means to take back our country one deal at a time. Consider it a New Tea party and Don't let Boston have all the fun this time.

                    Oh yeah one mans junk is another treasure also rings very true at times like these. So Bartering and trading is another way to sway the corporate monkeys by insisting that long term boycotts of products that are not U.S. made just do not get bought here anymore. We actually all have the basics of what we really need air food water. the rest should only be considered tools for living and growing our own businesses here at home.

                    The best Acronym for a Job I have ever heard is J.ust O. ver B. roke

                    By creating better relationships with those you live around and trading with them your local connections also get much stronger. I know I live in the state Capital here in California fairly good sized City. And I deal small one to one no store no overhead. Some Ebay mostly word of mouth.

                    Trust me more and more that time you please one person they appreciate the attention to details. And the service that it brings. A rare commodity in itself nowadays. Buy Local as much as possible and help each other get whatever needs done well done.

                    To all the naysayers that say it would drive us deeper into a depression. Slow the economy even more create more job loss ect .ect. Stop fear mongering. Before the banks had a straglehold on this nation before Corporate America took over the government. We were better off. We as a people worked hard saved raised our kids with morals. Not to mention let them know what real work was. And had a better Ideal and pride in ourselves.We created jobs with grand ideas and this nation thrived. we saw investing in our fellow man as an opertunity not only for him. But our families as well. Now the banks decides who gets a loan who can grow and who cant. Bull start smalll and grow slow.

                    I only hope that we can all stop watching the news in fear and start making some good news in our own lives. There is a ton of opportunity out there and it is yours for the taking.

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                    #8.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:52 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":6365100,"authorDomain":"montymiller"}

                    I have emailed the mayor of Elkhart offering to supply free prescription discount cards for them to give out to people without health insurance. I got a response from his assistant that they had passed my email on to the city's economic developement manager. That was on March 23rd and I haven't heard back from anyone.

                    If someone in Elkhart would contact me and spearhead the effort to get these cards out to people, I would be glad to furnish as many as you need. These discount prescription cards can save up to 75% off the cost of prescription drugs and can be used at all major pharmacies.

                    Please contact me at or call me at 502-649-5938.

                    Monty Miller

                    Jeffersonville, IN

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                    Reply#9 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:58 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":6365428,"authorDomain":"trying2getbyinElkhart"}

                    I live in Elkhart and have watched a once prosperous town fall into the state that it is now. I sell cars for a living and over the last year taken a 60% or better pay cut. The marketing and deals are there to be had but with all the uncertainty no one wants to get in over thier head, granted people are still buying but the numbers that are in the showrooms are down well below anything that I have seen over the last six years. My wife has been trying daily for the last 4 months to find a job and help with all the bills that are pilling up and can't find anything, not even fast food or cashier,even paper routes are not to be had. I am currently trying to aquire a part time job to get us by, guess what...nothing. The fact is my long time customers that have set me countless referals and bought multiple vehicles from me over the years are waiting this whole economy situation out, the ones that are currently still employed anyway. I'm sure Elkhart will recover....I just don't know how many of the citizens of Elkhart can afford to survive until that happens.

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                      Reply#10 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:19 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":6365499,"authorDomain":"Jmartine"}

                      I used to work in Elkhart. The people are hard working and care about the community. The unfortunate part about the story of Elkhart is that it has been on a downturn for the last 3 to 5 years. Nothing has been done about this. There is an abandoned bayer facility, I believe, across the street from this outlet furniture store, what is the mayor doing to entice business's to come in. I understand that people believe there are no business' willing to come in although I believe differently. Elkhart is centrally located and will be a great place for distribution centers, IT facilities, Software companies, there are endless possibilities. Is the mayor and other political officials looking at upgrading the infrastructure of the communities to include roadways, phone systems, and bridges? I have friends that live in Elkhart, I moved to Chicago a few years ago and I fear for my friends and the lack of options.

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                        Reply#11 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:23 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":6405918,"authorDomain":"puckerup-326"}

                        I don't like to play the "blame game" but I do have to agree with you here. Someone dropped the ball on diversifying the economy. It is just a shame that it took a major downturn for officials to say, "hey, we have a problem here". Sadly, they should have known this. I learned this in my high school economics class for goodness sakes. Maybe they did know and just didn't address it because times were not bad until recently. Ahhh, I guess hindsight is twenty twenty.

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                          #11.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:23 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":6406450,"authorDomain":"joeyfromcali"}

                          Do you really think we as Americans are better off leaving to our elected officials to handle diversification and economic situations. Leaving it up to them then playing the blame game is exactly what got us all into this mess across the country. Truth be told high school economics suck. Most kids cant even balance a checkbook when leaving high school.

                          Mandatory reading should include The Richest man in Babylon by : George S. Clason and many others. We need to stop teaching our youth Get a good job and look for job security. College is cool if only to expand ones mind but not only for a job tool.

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                            #11.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":6368218,"authorDomain":"alowe"}

                            Wow so sad! I feel pulled by this story two ways. I appreciate it showing us the reality of what's happening to our local economies, but I also wish there was something a little positive somewhere in there. Maybe a random act of kindness or something. It's hard to feel very "stimulated" or positive when everything is so grim. I noticed my state, Oklahoma, on the map was not marked as recession yet, maybe it's naivity, but I hope things look up before we are also as deeply affected. I am feeling some of it, and a few people around me have been laid off, but overall we're pretty stable as of now. So if you can find work in Oklahoma, WELCOME! We would love to have you, but I truly hope for all of you that something will happen there, and you won't be forced to make such a decision.

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                              Reply#12 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":6371403,"authorDomain":"jdfry17"}

                              It's too bad that a city relies so much on one industry. Diversification would have made a recession, while bad, at least bearable. Look at all of the cities around the country that have been hit hard in the past because of such practices. Kokomo, Anderson, and Muncie are other cities in Indiana that rely too much on one industry, and also paid the price because of it.

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                                Reply#13 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:03 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":6371753,"authorDomain":"sidpridgen"}

                                I can remember very well the crowds at an Obama appearance during his campaign. They were cheering for him when he promised to tax the rich. Now the rich are not buying the RV's. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, and all the other cliches'. They wanted Obama to tax the rich..now they have it. Would Elkhart be better off if rich people were prospering? You know the answer is yes.

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                                  Reply#14 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:46 AM EDT
                                  {"commentId":6371855,"authorDomain":"yah934"}

                                  Simply said but far from fact. Another blind racist. Must be from Mississippi or then again, Indianna

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                                    #14.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:56 AM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6406018,"authorDomain":"puckerup-326"}

                                    There are two big problems... one-the middle class is shrinking at an alarming rate and two-many middle class americans are living off of credit to enjoy the lifestyle that they grew accustomed to just a few decades ago. I'm not saying this is right, but for many it is the truth.

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                                    #14.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:29 PM EDT
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                                    {"commentId":6371830,"authorDomain":"yah934"}

                                    Indianna, I remember that place. The hangings and burnings. White robes flying in the night. Fear and injustice allowed and perpetuated.

                                    Yes, Elkhart, I remember you.

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                                    Reply#15 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:54 AM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6375525,"authorDomain":"sedna05"}

                                    Wow you're bitter. You seem to be living in the 60s. You haven't been here in awhile have you?

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                                      #15.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
                                      {"commentId":6406086,"authorDomain":"puckerup-326"}

                                      Ummm....I hope you are being sarcastic. If not I think maybe you must have ran into some undesirable people. I can assure you that I have never seen or heard of any hangings, burnings, or white robes flying in the night. Wow...do you judge everyone the same because of one or two bad characters you might have run into?

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                                        #15.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:33 PM EDT
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                                        {"commentId":6375474,"authorDomain":"sedna05"}

                                        I have lived in the Elkhart area all of my 50 yrs. I have built my share of RVs, van conversions, and parts for those types of products. Almost every member of my family has at one time or another been supported by the RV industry. Several members of my mothers extended family founded what used to be one of the largest RV & mfg housing companies in the country. I've been trying to get out of the RV industry for years and have finally succeeded. Unfortunately they are dinosaurs and I'm surprised it took this long for the bottom to fall out.

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                                          Reply#16 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6375747,"authorDomain":"gingerbreadcottage"}

                                          Here is a bit of good news. Decorator Industries of Goshen,IN has been thinking outside of the box. This is a company that makes window coverings, bedspreads and pillows for the RV industry. Five out of twelve of their factories were closed down and they were next. With all of the cancelled orders from the RV industry, D. I. Ind. was stuck with fabric that could not be sent back. An employee took some fabric and designed a tote and some purses. A wife of one of the engineers was so worried that her husband would loose his job, she gathered up the bags and went to local retail gift shops to sell and get orders. The word got out and the media got hold of the story. It has snowballed in one week. They have so many orders they have called back workers and hired new ones. I have sold more than one hundred bags in less than a week in my gift shop. I am donating $5.00 for each bag I sell to the Food Bank of Northern Indiana. D. I. donates $1.00 of every bag they sell to Food for Kids program. Coldwell Banker of South Bend has invited us to have a purse party for charity at their office Fri. April 10. They were so generous to have post card invitations printed and they will be serving refreshments for the event.

                                          I am amazed to see the people of our community pull together and help one another in such a generous way!! Together we can put Michiana and America back to work.

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                                          Reply#17 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:36 AM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6386127,"authorDomain":"lynne920"}

                                          Wow, what a great idea. I would love to see these purses. We are even feeling the pinch in Kosciusko Co., which is just south of Elkhart Co. Considering that our county is considered the Orthopedic (MFG)Capital of the world some might think that our local employment is rather recession proof. However, I never knew the large amount of Kosciusko County residents that actually worked in the RV/Auto industry. It is difficult to move from the RV/Auto MFG. into Orthopedic MFG. because most of the jobs in the Ortho. industry seem to be temp. jobs, which is better than unemployment but doesn't offer the security most workers desire. I don't know all the reasons MSNBC chose Elkhart to highlight, but why not Elkhart? Northern Indiana has just as many good things happening as bad, just like any other part of our country. Perhaps more mfg. jobs will come back to our area and our country when businesses realize that American ingenuity is still the best in the world.

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                                          #17.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:19 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6405867,"authorDomain":"joeyfromcali"}

                                          Wow now that's worth national attention Good ol fashioned American dedication and hard work. you all should be applauded.

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                                          #17.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:19 PM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":6377111,"authorDomain":"cherirae"}

                                          I grew up in Elkhart, went to Trinity Lutheran School, West Side Jr. High and graduated EHS Central - 40 + years ago. Will be following this project and keeping Elkhart in my thoughts and prayers. Loved seeing the video with Paul Thomas- he was my neighbor, I wore the shoes from his store and I was babysitter for his children. Paul has done a great job of tirelessly and faithfully gathering and protecting Elkhart's history. Elkhart is fortunate to have him in the community.

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                                            Reply#18 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:35 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":6384054,"authorDomain":"5silva"}

                                            May I ask why you left Elkhart?, it sounds like such a nice place to live. I was born and raised in Los Angeles, your town sounds like heaven.

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                                              #18.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:53 PM EDT
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                                              {"commentId":6379568,"authorDomain":"ec350"}

                                              Way to Go Gingerbread Cottage, Mishawasha, IN.

                                              It is people like you, not Obama, who will pull the U.S.A. and Canada out of this mess. The people a Goshen Industries and their employees are to be congratulated. I see these types of purses are catching on as the new style for the season, and have been sold on TV Shoppers Channel in Canada. Do not give up...if not RVs there is something new.

                                              God Bless All of Us.

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                                                Reply#19 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6379798,"authorDomain":"tigrismoon"}

                                                SPCTRVLR -- how did you draw the conclusion that "Sid from Georgia" is racist? He was making an economic statement, not a racial suggestion... Also, it's INDIANA...

                                                Anyway, our country has propelled itself with a capitalist approach, which bases itself on "garnering as much as you can." We've underscored corporations because, yes, they catered to the rich, and yes, they gave the rest of us low interest rates... What happened to HARD WORK and INTEGRITY? America is only sowing the seeds we planted long ago when we agreed, whether aggressively or passively, to accept the ideal of "whatever it takes to get more." Anyone can see that GREED is a huge proponent to this formula...

                                                What I don't understand is why we can't live for one another; not just family and friends, but the person who lives across the street, or even across town... It's this individualism that has condemned our motives: "If it makes ME happy." What about if it makes those around you happy? Are we all not HUMANS on ONE planet?

                                                So this has been the consequence of our apathy on one end and greed on the other... I agree that optimism would help the fight against this recession; but optimistic about the return of corporate welfare at the expense of those beneath them? I would be much more optimistic about a revolution in our thinking, behavior, and ultimately, what makes us truly happy... I can only wonder if this recession is exactly what this nation needs...

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                                                Reply#20 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6402873,"authorDomain":"bastets-kitten"}

                                                Until Muslims and Jews, gays and evangelicals, Pagans and Christians, Chechnians and Russians, blacks and whites, and everyone else inbetween can all get along, we won't have peace, prosperity, and concern for the welfare of the common person ANYWHERE on the planet.

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                                                #20.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 4:35 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6404292,"authorDomain":"tigrismoon"}

                                                True... But it only takes one at a time to make a difference... I was recently ata viewing of the documentary "Guns, Grief, & Grace in America" and what followed the film was an intense discussion of how to "deal" with gun violence in America... So many teens in attendance were apathetic, stating that "it's hopeless; there will ALWAYS be gun violence." Though to a certain extent that statement can be true, we have got to change our mind-frame of hopelessness to one of hopefulness if anything is EVER going to change... Negativity breeds negative results -- and vice-versa... There are better ways... Will we get everyone to agree? Of course not... But there are places in existence in America where gun violence is not an issue (most always, middle to upper middle-class communities)... Can we completely wipe out poverty and establish a gun-free society? Maybe not... But we can work to change one person's mind of purchasing a gun to remedy some problem in their life... And that's one person who didn't kill another being -- or themselves -- who didn't contribute to the statistics...

                                                As I said before, maybe we need this recession to generate an awakening... Maybe in some way or another, we will finally see each other: humans; not each other's faults and differences we deem unworthy... Just maybe... Just maybe...

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                                                #20.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 5:47 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6406233,"authorDomain":"puckerup-326"}

                                                I have to say that this has really gotten me and my family thinking alot more about what really matters in life. Does it really matter that "John and Jane" down the road will look down their noses at you because you don't have this or that? So what! Twenty years down the road you won't even remember this or that or that you cared what John and Jane thought. What you will remember is the ties that you have with your friends, family, and neighbors (as you mentioned).

                                                I have come to realize (as I think so many others of my generation are starting to realize- I was born in 80) that maybe all of these "things" don't matter as much as what we thought they did. My husband and I have been trying very hard to pay down our debt so that we don't owe anyone anything. What a feeling of freedom that would be. I find myself trying to be more frugal and wondering "do we really need this?".

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                                                #20.3 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
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                                                {"commentId":6381727,"authorDomain":"ec350"}

                                                To Vote on this story...at the top of the page...

                                                You have to click on the CHECK MARK beside the work VOTE to make it register, to agree with the story and MOVE it on UP the List!

                                                DO IT NOW!

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                                                  Reply#21 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":6393976,"authorDomain":"outlaw-292001"}

                                                  I was flipping burgers into my late 20's until I managed to squeak out an IT degree. I've been doing it for 20 years now. Every moment I'm not at work I have my nose buried in a book trying learn more in order to stay ahead of anyone wanting to take my job.

                                                  People must be living in a dream world if they think they can cruise thru life with an upper middle class lifestyle and the only thing they know how to do is bolt a bumper on a Winnebago. We aren't living in the 50's anymore.

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                                                    Reply#22 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 10:40 AM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6398003,"authorDomain":"stormshy7"}

                                                    You must not be from around here or you would realize that most of this area is NOT UPPER MIDDLE CLASS.

                                                    RV work is hard, and tiring.. In a communnity where EVERYTHING is connected to the RV industry, where else are you supposed to get a job, unless it's flipping burgers.

                                                    I've lived my whole life in this community. I dont think people from other areas realize that 80% of the businesses in this county are RV factorys, RV suppliers, RV repair, or RV SOMETHING.

                                                    Unless you are working in a Hospital, Restraunt or shopping mall, you do something connected to the RV industry!

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                                                      #22.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 1:13 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":6404907,"authorDomain":"divadecy"}

                                                      I find your comment to be commendable about your self improvement strategies.I do not; however;agree with the rest of comment.I don't think those folks in Elkhart are considered anything but the hardworking,backbone to this country.If it were not for people like those in Elkhart this country would have fallen financially long ago.The blue collar worker is and always will be what holds it together financially.The housing,credit,etc...So flip a burger and move on; but don't disrespect Elkhart;they have been through enough already!!!

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                                                        #22.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:22 PM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":6404585,"authorDomain":"rreed10"}

                                                        The auto ind sold the people what they wanted. If they didn,t get it here thewhere else. WE never learn.

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                                                          Reply#23 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:03 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":6404761,"authorDomain":"divadecy"}

                                                          I live in Virginia and we lost our Ford truck assembly plant.I don't think our community suffered as bad as others . I feel so bad for Elkhart and their situation. But I do have a lot of faith in our president; and believe that he will do all that is possible to turn around this economy.But we all have to try and do a little on our own. The day has come and gone where people could hold a job for 30 yrs.I did.My husband made it to 20 yrs.But now people will not get that chance again I don't think.

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                                                          Reply#24 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:14 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":6405301,"authorDomain":"larchuleta1034"}

                                                          I wish that instead of the government giving these big companys bailout money that they give us citizens, the ones that make this country work, the bailout money, I will tell you what if i was giving just 200,000 thousand from the government i would pay off my mortgage and all my debt, buy a new car and Im sure all other american familys would do the same and that would solve all our problems, the banks, the auto dealers, the credit cards companys, medical EVERYTHING!! but i guess it just makes too much sense to help the ones that really matter

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                                                          Reply#25 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:45 PM EDT
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