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Why Elkhart?

The heart of downtown Elkhart, a picturesque stretch of historic brick buildings.

This recession is a sprawling national story, but its effects are local and personal: Families are facing heartbreaking setbacks; managers are laying off friends and neighbors; longtime businesses are closing. Yet our towns and cities also are places of hope, where community is a potent force and America's resilient spirit is ever present.

This is why msnbc.com is in Elkhart, Indiana.

This blog marks the beginning of The Elkhart Project, an effort by msnbc.com to focus attention on one town's battle against joblessness, diminished opportunities, a severe credit crunch and a population of newly needy residents.

In Elkhart this set of problems surfaced months earlier than in much of the nation. So, we will spend the coming months there to bring a better understanding of its people, the hard choices facing them and the triumphs they achieve.

We hope our reporting in this city of 53,000 will help us to understand the national struggle and offer lessons for all of us about how to adapt and endure.

We want to be there on the days that federal stimulus funds arrive or when new ideas and new thinking emerge from the hard times. We will introduce you to the people who will be key in determining the city's fate and to those young people who will be its future. To help us tell this story, msnbc.com is partnering with the Elkhart Truth newspaper. Its staff knows the city inside and out.

Why Elkhart?

The city's horrific unemployment rate, at 19.6 percent in February, already has drawn national attention. Barack Obama has come to the city three times in less than a year to highlight the city's troubles and to promise help. (Watch video below to hear him discuss the economy during a Feb. 9 visit to Elkhart.)

In a country where people ask "Why don't we build things anymore?" this area has long been the rebuttal. Before the current recession, it thrived as a manufacturing center even as foreign competition routed entire U.S. industries. If Americans are to continue producing manufactured goods in the global market, communities like Elkhart must lead the way.

The people of Elkhart are its greatest resource, imbued with an ethic of hard work and a culture of inventiveness. In addition to building the first travel trailers in the 1920s, Elkhart County residents have designed and produced hundreds of products that ended up in homes across the U.S. – everything from popcorn poppers and golf clubs to electronic switches and specialized brass fittings.

Residents talk about the city's resilience in terms of being a bellwether for the rest of the United States. Elkhart, the saying goes around town, leads the way into recession and then shows the way back out.

That is why many Elkhart residents remain optimistic that they will put this economic downturn behind them.

"We've been in this situation before and I think we're going to get out of this all right," Elkhart Mayor Dick Moore told msnbc.com. "We're asking for some assistance, not a handout but a hand up."

The city bounced back after the 2001 closure of the Miles Laboratories plant, the maker of Alka Seltzer and for decades a major employer in the city. And it prospered despite the long slow decline of the musical instrument business, another former mainstay of the economy.

Moore is looking for $92 million in federal stimulus funding for public works projects that he says will create 2,310 jobs.

But even those who believe that the federal money will kick-start the local economy acknowledge that the city must tap new revenue streams, heed the lessons of the past and reinvent itself.

More than 50 percent of Elkhart's businesses are in manufacturing, and one-quarter of those are directly related to the RV industry, accounting for the city's self-proclaimed title of "RV Capital of the World."

Of all the 381 major metropolitan areas in the U.S., Elkhart had the highest share of its workforce in manufacturing jobs in 2007, according to an analysis by Moody's Economy of Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

You can learn more about the local economy in the Adversity Index, a rich analysis developed by Moody's Economy in cooperation with msnbc.com that we're launching today alongside this project. This report includes an interactive map that allows you to see comparable data for the other 380 U.S. metro areas.

Local leaders are wracking their brains for ways to diversify the economy. Among them is Mike Yoder, a dairy farmer and county commissioner, who is championing a plan to use empty RV factories as fish farms. You'll meet him on Wednesday in a piece looking at how hard it is to change in the midst of an economic crisis.

Elkhart officials are attempting to entice businesses to relocate. At the same time, they're looking for the next big idea. Brian Gildea, Elkhart's economic development director, has a pile of proposals several inches thick on his desk, some of which include rough sketches and barely legible hand-written notes.

Moore said most of those he's looked at came from "people who've got a big hat, but no cattle."

There are some bright spots. In downtown Elkhart, a picturesque stretch of historic brick buildings around a central park and river walk, two new restaurants have opened in the past four months. Work also has begun to turn the old ELCO movie theater into a new performing arts center, scheduled to open in fall 2010.

But the economic cross-currents continue to tug hard at other parts of the community.

Long lines snake out of a branch library on the weekend, as residents without computer access at home line up to file the information that will keep their jobless benefits coming.

Vacancies appear to be the rule rather than the exception in many commercial complexes along Bristol Avenue, a major Elkhart thoroughfare. That's where Elkhart resident Ann Cari has had a furniture showroom since 1992, a business that may soon become the recession's next victim.

And "For Sale" signs and notices of foreclosure are common in some neighborhoods, particularly in the largely African-American and Hispanic areas south of the railroad tracks that bisect the city. (Click here for a map of the city).

Sergio Velasco, a real estate agent and mortgage broker, said many Hispanics have left to look for work elsewhere.
"It's terrible," he said. "People I know who have family and friends, they've already left. … It's going to be a ghost town."

And so, the tug-of-war between optimism and despair continues. In the coming weeks and months, we invite you to follow this important story with us, and to share your own stories from your hometowns. Your questions or comments are welcome below.

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{"commentId":6353798,"authorDomain":"crazynavyjeff81"}

I grew up near Elkhart, there is a reason I join the Navy in 1981 and served 24 years. That area of the country is beautiful but has been dieing for the last 30 or more years...it just came to a head with the current depression, they need to start looking at what the can build for the future of America and become now the leader in building windmill generators or solar panels...help lead the nation in new energy technology that will get our Soldiers and Sailors out of the middle east...

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    Reply#26 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6355105,"authorDomain":"mdivamah"}

    To Jeff and Lucy:  Unfortunately, you are so right.  I lived in and around St. Joseph, Elkhart Counties for over 30 years also.  The whole industrial North is still in the throes of the Rust Belt syndrome.  Some places, like Cleveland, OH, moved on to lucrative waters with Health Care emphasis.  But, God Bless them, many fell back on the closest thing to auto work ---- bussess, RV's, etc.  I orignally thought that manufactured homes would be a good answer ----- being affordable and all.  But, clearly new home builders of America would block that.  Yes, it's a gorgeous section of the USA, plenty of fresh water, and hard working people.  But, they need help.

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      #26.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
      {"commentId":6368607,"authorDomain":"jstme60"}

      You are so right about this county having been going down for the last 30 yrs. I was born and raised in Goshen and have never worked in the RV industry. It used to be that you didn't have to. There was a day when you could find a job in just about any area you liked because there was so much diversity in manufacturing here. I have made electrical components, spark plug and other specialty wire, plastics forming even furniture. One by one those jobs dropped away. When NAFTA was passed the situation got even worse as more and more jobs shipped out of the country. The local government never worried about it because the RV & manufacturing industries took up the slack for the most part. This recession /depression has been a long time in the making and untill those in government realise that diversity and industry are the primary source of prosperity the economy will never be stable. Now I'm out of work and can't even get a job in a fast food joint because without our manufacturing base every other sector of the economy is suffering. Elkhart may be one of the worst hit places but there is no where in the US where this is not happening.

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        #26.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:13 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":6353803,"authorDomain":"smortimore"}

        To David in Houston,

        Open your eyes !! Houston which is where I live also! is feeling it, 560 jobs a day are being lost, Mojor construction projects have been halted and put on hold, My son is an electrician with a very well known company and they have layed off over 57 people in the last month, because financing for projects have not been met. I know we are in much better shape that Elkhart, and we also have an oil and gas industry that is in a major down turn, can you say DOW?? can you say LYONDELL? lets dicuss the 300 people I have seen laid off from a major Title company because homes are not closing. Dont blame Obama, there is alot of blame to go around, expand your horizons David, we as Houstonians are luckier than most this is true,,,dont think that it isnt going on in our own backyard because you would be very very wrong

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          Reply#27 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
          {"commentId":6355857,"authorDomain":"sneakersm"}

          Scott- I have relatives in your area and I know from them that this is affecting your community. What I find really sad is that unless it has directly affected someone on the food chain, they don't think there is a problem or they think the individuals involved are the problem. Good luck to your son and family and tell him to be strong and positive. Thank God he's not in the auto industry in Michigan.

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            #27.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":6353855,"authorDomain":"tc6"}

            Why not Elkhart? This piece is not solely telling the story of 'Elkhart' but rather the whole community of Elkhart that encompasses a large region. In a time like this there should not be any rebuttal against the location that was chosen. Elkhart is a town of hope and perseverance and instead of focusing on the negative they have decided to bring out the positive in a town that deserves it. If our world wants to return to stature of where we once were we need to get behind towns like Elkhart, which in all reality were the towns that our country were founded upon. We need to get back into the small towns that have given our country so much and in return help them. Elkhart is not on a slippery slope to anything. Elkhart, just like the entire world, is in a bind we are going through rough times that we will prevail from and the negativity is not needed. We are all Americans and its about time that we come together. The RV industry will be fine because of the fact it is in Elkhart. We are not throwing in the towel without a fight and no one should give up on us.

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              Reply#28 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
              {"commentId":6355549,"authorDomain":"gusbuggy"}

              Well said Mr. Tim Cunninghamn. I lived just north of you for 20 years and at one time worked in Elkhart. It is a fine community made up of fine people. Hold the line.

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                #28.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":6353868,"authorDomain":"tom-84"}

                Elkhart doesn't "luxury autos" . They build RVs and busses. The economy tanked because speculators drove up the price of oil so high it made operating a Rv or motorhome impractical. Public works program won't do anything to restore that community. What will is tech breakthroughs in hybrid engines that will allow people to operate these vehicles again.

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                  Reply#29 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6353953,"authorDomain":"taylorsqu"}

                  Hello evry1 i am from Elkhart, Indiana , and yes i build rv's and mobile homes. I have been in the industry for about 21 years and now i am jobless . In the last 7 months i have filled out hundreds of applications just to be told not hiring , i do recieve unemployment benefits but i still struggle and my children feel these effects . Staying home has really gotten to me when im used to going to work everyday and now companys have put out signs saying "NOT EXCEPTING APPLICATIONS " unless you are from Elkhart or surrounding towns you dont have a clue how bad it is , part time jobs cant even be found its crazy here . I want to get back to work so bad and i know i can learn anything or accomplish any task that is handed to me and yet i still come up empty handed . If the world is reading this then is there someone out there that can put me to work ? Please

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                  Reply#30 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:55 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6356156,"authorDomain":"sneakersm"}

                  Brent, I don't know what your skill sets are but make a list of everything you know how to do, everything! Is there a hobby you can turn into a cottage industry with craigslist, ebay? Keep it simple- we all know that disposable income is a rare commodity. It's really hard to stay positive but it's an important key to getting through this! A good brisk walk will help keep depression from setting in! Network if you can. Lots of us are coming up empty handed in the job market- see if you can 'fill a need' that might turn into a new direction and new job you built yourself! Best wishes and prayers. I live in Michigan and I know exactly how hard it is but I also know that blue collar workers and others in our manufacturing community are hard working and we'll succeed!!!

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                    #30.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":6356229,"authorDomain":"cheekylilchatter"}

                    I live in east central indiana, and its not too great here. I know up north they have really been hit hard. here it seems like its been going bad for the last decade, so its hard to tell if this recession is doing extra or if we are still moving downward the same as we have been.

                    Some people are finding jobs if they are willing to drive a longer commute than usual. half of us here drive across county to get here. Theres no jobs in the town i live in, but my house payment is really low, and i dont have alot of expenses so if i get laid off, i might be able to weather it okay for a while. i was laid off three years ago and it took almost 6 months to find a job and it wasnt in my field and paid less than half what i was making.

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                      #30.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":6353989,"authorDomain":"gregl-1"}

                      This was where all the FEMA trailers came from, what will happen when the next Katrina hit the U.S., they are not building travel trailers no more.

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                        Reply#31 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":6353997,"authorDomain":"drgdonway"}

                        Just another example of how high-wage, low productivity union jobs eventually lose out. The ultimate proof of that is the auto industry. If people want to make more and more money without improving quality and productivity, one day it will come crashing down. Study the right-to-work states and you'll see a marked difference.

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                          Reply#32 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":6361397,"authorDomain":"daniellie7290"}

                          Indiana is a right to work state. There were and are very few union jobs in Elkhart County. Most workers are opposed to them. Please educate yourself...

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                            #32.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":6354090,"authorDomain":"bonnied61"}

                            I've lived in this area my entire life and watched the good and the bad., this is not the first time the area suffered hard times because of economy (i.e., Arab oil embargo) - if we want to focus on helping those out of work in this industry - we need to send them to school to learn jobs that are relevant to areas outside of the manufacturing of RV and automotive - sending someone to school to be a C&C operator when all the largest factories who employ these types of people are closing or moving to Mexico is ridiculous - let's inspire people to learn skills that will empower them for the rest of their working lives.

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                              Reply#33 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":6354140,"authorDomain":"o-ramos"}

                              I lived in the goshen area in the late 80s and I remember all the jobs that the RV industry had there at the time and I really hate to see this happening to an area where I had friends and to this day still have Family there. I beleive from the people I met in Elkhart that you all pulling together will rebound from this. Together we stand Devided we fall. Hang in there. Ill be praying for your recovery.

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                                Reply#34 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":6354152,"authorDomain":"info-491"}

                                While Elkhart is experiencing hard times, there are many cities/counties in northeast Indiana that are experiencing the same thing. For example, Noble County has many challenges with historically 10% of their workforce traveling to Elkhart or LaGrange County for work, most likely in the RV industry. Noble County also has a large manufacturing sector of its own primarily in the automotive industry. The current unemployment rate in Noble County is over 17% which does not include the closing of the Dalton Foundry plant in Kendallville which had over 300 employees. Government officials, community leaders and community members are doing creative things to support their neighbors/friends and family during this difficult time. If you would like additional information, contact the Noble County Economic Development Corporation at . Noble County is located southeast of Elkhart County.

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                                  Reply#35 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
                                  {"commentId":6354178,"authorDomain":"dheeter"}

                                  I grew up in Osceola, IN which is sandwiched between Mishawaka, IN and ironically Elkhart, IN. I moved to Chicago after college because I'm an actor and I needed to be in a larger market. My father and brothers both have been involved at some time as workers (or drivers) for the RV business in Elkhart, and thankfully they have moved on to other things before this whole situation took hold of the area. My heart truly goes out to these people - they are my home. What gives me hope is that there is so much attention on Elkhart right now, and this will be more stimulus than they imagine. Stay strong people of St. Joe and Elkhart counties! Things will get better - we are all pulling for you!

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                                    Reply#36 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:04 AM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6354205,"authorDomain":"robertfvcx"}

                                    It is time to build a bridge in Elkhart with a toll booth and call it the Elkhart Toll Bridge.........

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                                      Reply#37 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
                                      {"commentId":6354206,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

                                      No doubt Elkhart is in a difficult situation. However, there are some good things for the county. For one, the County has been run responsibly and as a result has not needed massive cuts to balance their budget as other parts of the nation have had to do. Further, Elkhart's excess manufacturing capacity, and proximity to major metropolitian areas, along with easy access to the area is a very positive for companies looking to expand or move. Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniel just announced expansion of 8 employers resulting in 500 new jobs to the area, not much, but still a start.

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                                        Reply#38 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:06 AM EDT
                                        {"commentId":6354219,"authorDomain":"Palewriter"}

                                        Why don't you own an RV? There in lies your answer to Why Elkhart. Not to mention that half the population works, errr worked in that industry.

                                        When the radical environmentalists run your energy policy, this is what you get. When you don't allow yourself to utilize your own energy sources, to insure stability, and lower fuel prices, this is what you get. When the Full size pick up and SUV have been so demonized, become so politically incorrect, as to become the 'great satan' of vehicles, this is what you get. (for you need them to pull the RV trailers) On top of that, when the government increases cafe standards to ridiculus levels, this is what you get.

                                        The vehicle buying public can no longer actually buy the vehicles they want to buy, we buy what we have to, out of necessity, due to artificial outside influences on what was formerly known as 'the free market'. I would love to own a big ole pick up, and an RV. But it's not in my best interest, as all of the instability of fuel costs, simply make it too risky.

                                        Why Elkhart? That's like asking why an abused dog flinches and cowers when his master comes around. How much more 'beat-down' can we take?....Ask Elkhart

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                                          Reply#39 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:06 AM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6354632,"authorDomain":"oldalfer"}

                                          Whoa! I thought Oh-Balm-Ah was gonna save us all...

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                                            #39.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
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                                            {"commentId":6354249,"authorDomain":"Valen14tine"}

                                            Elkhart is where my grandmother lived, my mother was raised and I looked forward to going to every summer. They make many RV's and once Conn instruments were made their. After many years the instrument factory decided to leave Elkhart which hurt this town tremendously. A great deal of new people moved into Elkhart and so it grew, however, I do not know if the jobs grew in Elkhart. It is a nice community. I hope they can save it.

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                                              Reply#40 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6354251,"authorDomain":"sp-shaw"}

                                              We lived in Osceola which is outside of Elkhart, having moved there from Minnesota, where we are back again now, and my husband worked for Amcast or Elkhart Products for two years back in 2001-2003. At that time, there was rumor that they were going to go bankrupt, so my husband got a job elsewhere, and we moved. I know they did file bankruptcy twice since we left as my husband still talked to former co-workers there a few times since. I'm curious if they are still there, and if they have laid off a lot of people. Anyone that still lives in Elkhart know?

                                              Fortunately, the area of Minnesota we live in hasn't been hit too hard. There have been some lay-offs but it hasn't been too bad, and, fortunately, my husband still has his job.

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                                              Reply#41 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6355384,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

                                              As of 6 months ago Elkhart Products was still in business.

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                                                #41.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6359697,"authorDomain":"dmpasserallo"}

                                                Elkhart Products is still in business today. However, there were massive layoffs right before Christmas (I'm talking people that worked there 30-40 years).

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                                                  #41.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
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                                                  {"commentId":6354259,"authorDomain":"fullthrottle"}

                                                  Factory Built homes are the answer to America's housing crisis and they are built in the Elkhart area by the best crafts people in the world. With an average price of $65,000 many can qualify for a home that is built with the same materials as any luxury home. The industry and people who build the homes need the federal government to expedite new FHA financing programs specifically geared for factory built homes. It is unbelievable that the U.S. Congress passed the housing stimulus bill last July and the feds can't get out regulations yet that will allow lenders to lend to people who want the quality and affordability of factory built homes! Wake up federal government - real people have lost millions of jobs. Do your job and stop making exuses about all that bureaucratic red tape and get those loan monies out!

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                                                    Reply#42 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:08 AM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6354546,"authorDomain":"diycable"}

                                                    Ok... you want the tax payers to spend money on building houses when there is an unpresidented oversupply of housing? In addition, you want the government to mandate easier lending to people who are a high-risk in order to give them cheap houses.

                                                    Am I the only one who finds this an insane proposal?

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                                                    #42.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6358576,"authorDomain":"kingmidgetswest"}

                                                    No, many will find Fullthrottle's proposal crazy but they and you are missing the point. Manufactured house used to be the heart of Elkhart's industry but went into serious decline because American's want luxury houses they can't afford. Nobody wants to live next door to "trailers" that are the nation's most affordable housing. Elkhart itself put up near impossible barriers to building good mobile home parks and inexpensive lots for low-cost single family housing that our nation so badly needs and has needed for decades.

                                                    Elkhart is an excellent manufacturing center with skilled labor available at reasonable cost and lots of fine (and vacant) manufacturing space. That town could and should be the focus of a rebirth of domestic manufacturing. There are plenty of things we need in this country that can't be realistically imported. And this is still the world's biggest market for stuff. The opportunities here are mind boggling.

                                                    The biggest barrier manufacturers face is not low cost foreign labor. It's well-intended but bloated bureaucracy that makes manufacturing so very difficult. One wonders why anyone in their right mind would undertake to build things in a nation that heaps such scorn on those entrepreneurs who built the nation.

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                                                      #42.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":6359388,"authorDomain":"diycable"}

                                                      I agree that there is a need for low-cost housing. But... the consumers are a large part of the reason for the lack of demand for manufactured housing. There is no argument, that putting up manufactured housing in my neighborhood of stick-built housing, decreases my property value due to perception. There is also no argument that there is little demand for housing right now no matter what barriers would be removed.


                                                      I am all for entrepreneurs and development but ultimately the consumer is a hard boss. They giveth and they taketh away. Being an entrepreneur is a risky business. I know.... I am one and it is hard to put things into place overnight that are going to change things for Elkhart. There are barriers to stick built homes too but I understand how contractors, in local markets would rather not have to compete with manufactured housing. They want to preserve those jobs for the contractors in their own communities. It is a tit for a tat.

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                                                        #42.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:25 PM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":6354323,"authorDomain":"jigomez0441"}

                                                        Elkhart is the canary of the economy and as always, the citizens are partly or even totally at fault for those materialistic excesses when the skinny cows come home and nobody, so it seems, prepares for the worst when they are having fun. ON ABC Nightly News, it was reported how a, we can call him, millionaire lost every thing, because he did not prepared for a rainy day and those who live with excesses, die with them. He is now a delivery pizza driver, which is commendable, but sorry, specially in hard economic times doesn't cut it. The guy was making, according to the news, 750K a year. Now he is broke, which puts him in the company of MC hammer. I guess this guy never heard of saving for a rainy day and now he is paying for those excesses, just like Elkhart is paying for right now. I think to face a problem, you have to recoginize the problem first and then take corrective action. Those who blame others for their own problems are kidding themselves and if they don't recognize thier own mistakes, well, as the saying goes: Those who ginore history, tend to repeat the same mistakes done in the past. I'm sorry to rain on Elkhart's dreams of recovery, but this time is not the roaring twenties, this is the big kahuna, another great depression called something else as not to cause panic. I'm not a seer, but the future looks bleak and the lights, if they come at all, in Elkhart will take years, not months. When we don't know, and all experts agree, where the bottom is, those who predict the recovery around the corner are snake oil peddlers with a hidden agenda.

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                                                          Reply#43 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:10 AM EDT
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                                                          {"commentId":6354329,"authorDomain":"paul-80"}

                                                          We are about 30 miles east of Elkhart, and are a manufacturer of RV's. While we are located in the adjacent county, we have suffered much the same as Elkhart. Thanks for calling national attention to our plight!

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                                                            Reply#44 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:10 AM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":6354351,"authorDomain":"lktaylor77"}

                                                            Having lived and worked in Elkhart, although I have since moved away, I have to agree that in reality Elkhart is NOT the place to demonstrate the current recession and recovery. As has been mentioned in earlier posts, it has had all of its "eggs in one basket" and as long as the industries were doing well, so did the community. Yes, it has been hard it, and yes, it has come back in the past, but this time I believe there will be much more need for a change in the types of jobs created. I have family and friends who have lost jobs, and others who are working, but fewer days/hours per week. They would be grateful to be back at work, but let's give them jobs that are not so dependent on items that can be sold when people have disposable money. Yes, the modular home industry has also been hurt by the housing recession, but at least they are affordable homes.

                                                            I currently live in an Indiana town that is also reeling from the loss of manufacturing jobs. We are STILL looking for ways to generate new jobs and stimulate the area and our community has been working on this for several years.

                                                            Why Elkhart? I do wish MSNBC had selected another town because I don't think this is a realistic representation of towns in America. Elkhart is the exception rather than the rule.

                                                            Will Elkhart recover? Most certainly. But not because of stimulus plans. Elkhart will recover because of the mindset of the people there. Hardworking, creative individuals who will try out new ideas until they find something that works. The people of Elkhart are it's strength.

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                                                              Reply#45 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
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                                                              Ten Years ago I had a friend who worked and lived in Elkhart. We used to jokingly ask if my friend knew where I might be able to find a good RV. We also used to comment on how bad the service was at fast food restaraunts. The reason being, there was such abundant work for good workers, the fast food places ended up with the dreggs working for them. In the words of my friend, "the only unemployment here is the unemployable." Much as changed, indeed.

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                                                                Reply#46 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":6354384,"authorDomain":"dheeter"}

                                                                I would also like to mention that GM produces the Hummer in the area as well. I know they make the military version mostly which shouldnt see a decline, but I still feel that this could also have an effect on the area. I'm not home that much (Osceola) anymore, but I do fear that the large plant in the area will have an effect on the economy there. What do you people think?

                                                                Help this part of our country - these are good humble people!

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                                                                  Reply#47 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6355995,"authorDomain":"osceolakings"}

                                                                  Thanks for your comments Danny. I currently live in Osceola and worked in Elkhart. I would also like to point out that this areas various governments have courted other industries for many years. When AM General decided to stop pproducing the Hummer2, they secured a contract to turn the line over to taxi cabs, South Bend is working on a Na no Technologies complex. And last week 6 companies announced plans to expand their operations or move to this area. See link ..

                                                                  We are not just sitting around "letting this happen", as it appears some people are thinking. We are very hard working Intelligent people who can take anything life throws at us and make it work out.

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                                                                  #47.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
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                                                                  {"commentId":6354393,"authorDomain":"diycable"}

                                                                  Elkhart had a job base that was heavily tied to the RV industry and manufacturing.    Why do we insist on manufacturing?

                                                                  I know it is chic to think that manufacturing and the loss of those jobs is the downfall of Amercian economic prosperity but I'd like to point out that manufacturing is what takes the biggest hit in a downturn.  

                                                                  Manufacturing jobs have traditionally been high-wage only because of the relative poverty of the population, and due to unnatural market conditions created after most of the world's manufacturing was destroyed in the wake of WWII.    Manufacturing jobs are on average, low wage and low skilled jobs that in a free market, are very volitile.   

                                                                  We would do much better to focus on high-skill, high-wage jobs and ignore what sector creates them.     We will still manufacture things, but you should raise the activity up on some dias to worship.    It is just an economic activity and it shouldn't necessarily be the goal in job creation.  

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                                                                    Reply#48 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":6357708,"authorDomain":"mysecondchapter"}

                                                                    Define high-skill, high-wage.

                                                                    Engineering? nothing without the blue collar foundation

                                                                    Finance?--don't go there

                                                                    Education? --also getting hit hard in this economy

                                                                    Technology? --remember the 'other' bubble

                                                                    What are the high-skill; high wage jobs you speak of? Industry and manufacturing are the bread and butter of this country. In ANY country, manufacturing/industry has to be the foundation.

                                                                    You are correct, it is volitial...but everything else crumbles when the manufacturing/industry are not solid.

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                                                                      #48.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
                                                                      {"commentId":6358712,"authorDomain":"diycable"}

                                                                      Simple.... high-skill & high-wage jobs are any that provide high paying jobs. The reason they are high-paying jobs is because there is demand for those skills.

                                                                      And Engineering is perfectly fine without a large industrial base. I'm an engineer and I have zero no production capability in my company.

                                                                      But it doesn't have to be engineering related. We certainly have a problem in engineering. All of our students are from other countries and the consequences of that.... will be profound. But... finance can be a perfectly acceptable industry that creates wealth. How do you think the Jewish populations prospered for so many generations under unfavorable conditions in so many countries. FINANCE!

                                                                      Education.... I'd rather most people in education quit and find another job.

                                                                      Technology.... related to engineering. Nothing wrong with these industries because they create high wage jobs. They create wealth even during the bursting of a bubble. They also have generated massive wealth in our society while the manufacturing jobs have rushed out. Compare us now to the 1970s. We manufacture much less but our GDP has grown enormously and it has done so while loosing manufacturing jobs.

                                                                      So... I disagree with you and so does all the evidence. Manufacturing is not the root of economic success. It is a single economic activity and having some of it occuring in an economy is good. To make it your primary focus is not.

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                                                                        #48.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":6360845,"authorDomain":"mysecondchapter"}

                                                                        You just proved my point.

                                                                        By the by, I'm an educator; I educate engineers!! HA

                                                                        Even as a programmer; it all leads to the manufacturing of something...

                                                                        GDP- the P being the key; PRODUCT

                                                                        PRODUCT= Manufacturing; such as autos, housing; agriculture....

                                                                        When that foundation fails...it strangles the rest of the economy, the GDP is then stagnent.

                                                                        Welcome 2009...

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                                                                          #48.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:24 PM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":6362010,"authorDomain":"diycable"}

                                                                          That is not the case though. If GDP only meant products, how does it continue to grow while we shed manufacturing jobs? Your using the word product in the literal sense and it isn't defined that way. A product can be a financial instrument or service. Otherwise it would be physically impossible to loose manufacturing and increase GDP.

                                                                          Don't get me wrong. We will always make things. I don't have a predisposed attitude either for or against the activity. I'm just saying, that if you focus on manufacturing as though manufacturing = prosperity I'd disagree with you.


                                                                          Oh... and it is 'ok' for you to keep your job since your teaching engineers. You have my blessing. ;-)

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                                                                            #48.4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
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                                                                            Much of what has happened in Northern Indiana is a result of what has occurred in Indianapolis. Indy has for years robbed Peter to engrandize the capital. People up north in Lake Porter Laporte and Starke counties have sent taxes to Indy in copious amounts only to be shunned by Indy and Southern Indiana. This is a state with two distinct areas. The older areas had heavy industry. When state and local taxes dried out these industries they either downsized or shut down. When they did we got no help from central and southern Indiana. Why is it with big GM/Delco cities like Marion, Anderson, the South Bend area lost their jobs was Indy reluctant to help. Instead they procure a huge new Honda plant and place in Greensburg (southern Indiana) instead of up north where there are skilled workers. Thats not to mention what has happened to Lake and Porter Counties, huge steel industrial complexes that are rotting. No help at all from Indy.

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                                                                            Reply#49 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
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                                                                            Honda doesn't need the so called skilled workers. If they needed UAW employees Nissan, Honda & Toyota wouldn't be locating in states like Tennessee and Mississippi. They need competitive wage earners hungry for the jobs who have a good work ethic and are teachable. They don't need someone with an entitlement attitude and so-called "skills".

                                                                            My father spent most of his life in one of those mills. The workers where overpaid, lazy, and they stole the place blind. That wasn't all the workers, but it was a large proportion of them. My brother still works at US Steel. Things have changed, they went from employing 24,000 people in their hay-day to I think somewhere around a couple thousand now. Is there anyone that wants their kids to grow up and go to work in a steel mill? I don't.... I want my kids to grow up and work in an enviroment with hope. Somewhere that doesn't look like an industrial accident.

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                                                                              #49.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
                                                                              {"commentId":6357644,"authorDomain":"cheekylilchatter"}

                                                                              Honda was smart to go where the wages were already low in the area, and greensburg def fit that. Its a place that would welcome $12/hr jobs. Where we live we had auto industry jobs too that are now gone and a big reason is because people were making $30+ an hour. how can a company survive with that?!? the unions helped destroy the auto industry with their greed and the workers that were making obsene amounts of overtime for very little work helped drive it down also.

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                                                                                #49.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":6867632,"authorDomain":"Taffy64"}

                                                                                Amen to Unions being greedy! They only exsist for political reasons, not worker's rights!

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                                                                                  #49.3 - Sun May 3, 2009 9:46 PM EDT
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                                                                                  Bill Moyers interview. According to this guy Madoff was running a Three-Card-Monte table compared to the much bigger fish out there. Everyone should watch this video to understand our economic crisis and those responsible.

                                                                                  http://www.infowars.com/bill-moyers-on-the-bankster-economic-crisis/

                                                                                  americansworking.com

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                                                                                    Reply#50 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:16 AM EDT
                                                                                    {"commentId":6362282,"authorDomain":"rstoute"}

                                                                                    That was horrifying, yet fascinating. Thanks for the link.

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                                                                                      #50.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
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