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Why Elkhart?

The heart of downtown Elkhart, a picturesque stretch of historic brick buildings.

This recession is a sprawling national story, but its effects are local and personal: Families are facing heartbreaking setbacks; managers are laying off friends and neighbors; longtime businesses are closing. Yet our towns and cities also are places of hope, where community is a potent force and America's resilient spirit is ever present.

This is why msnbc.com is in Elkhart, Indiana.

This blog marks the beginning of The Elkhart Project, an effort by msnbc.com to focus attention on one town's battle against joblessness, diminished opportunities, a severe credit crunch and a population of newly needy residents.

In Elkhart this set of problems surfaced months earlier than in much of the nation. So, we will spend the coming months there to bring a better understanding of its people, the hard choices facing them and the triumphs they achieve.

We hope our reporting in this city of 53,000 will help us to understand the national struggle and offer lessons for all of us about how to adapt and endure.

We want to be there on the days that federal stimulus funds arrive or when new ideas and new thinking emerge from the hard times. We will introduce you to the people who will be key in determining the city's fate and to those young people who will be its future. To help us tell this story, msnbc.com is partnering with the Elkhart Truth newspaper. Its staff knows the city inside and out.

Why Elkhart?

The city's horrific unemployment rate, at 19.6 percent in February, already has drawn national attention. Barack Obama has come to the city three times in less than a year to highlight the city's troubles and to promise help. (Watch video below to hear him discuss the economy during a Feb. 9 visit to Elkhart.)

In a country where people ask "Why don't we build things anymore?" this area has long been the rebuttal. Before the current recession, it thrived as a manufacturing center even as foreign competition routed entire U.S. industries. If Americans are to continue producing manufactured goods in the global market, communities like Elkhart must lead the way.

The people of Elkhart are its greatest resource, imbued with an ethic of hard work and a culture of inventiveness. In addition to building the first travel trailers in the 1920s, Elkhart County residents have designed and produced hundreds of products that ended up in homes across the U.S. – everything from popcorn poppers and golf clubs to electronic switches and specialized brass fittings.

Residents talk about the city's resilience in terms of being a bellwether for the rest of the United States. Elkhart, the saying goes around town, leads the way into recession and then shows the way back out.

That is why many Elkhart residents remain optimistic that they will put this economic downturn behind them.

"We've been in this situation before and I think we're going to get out of this all right," Elkhart Mayor Dick Moore told msnbc.com. "We're asking for some assistance, not a handout but a hand up."

The city bounced back after the 2001 closure of the Miles Laboratories plant, the maker of Alka Seltzer and for decades a major employer in the city. And it prospered despite the long slow decline of the musical instrument business, another former mainstay of the economy.

Moore is looking for $92 million in federal stimulus funding for public works projects that he says will create 2,310 jobs.

But even those who believe that the federal money will kick-start the local economy acknowledge that the city must tap new revenue streams, heed the lessons of the past and reinvent itself.

More than 50 percent of Elkhart's businesses are in manufacturing, and one-quarter of those are directly related to the RV industry, accounting for the city's self-proclaimed title of "RV Capital of the World."

Of all the 381 major metropolitan areas in the U.S., Elkhart had the highest share of its workforce in manufacturing jobs in 2007, according to an analysis by Moody's Economy of Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

You can learn more about the local economy in the Adversity Index, a rich analysis developed by Moody's Economy in cooperation with msnbc.com that we're launching today alongside this project. This report includes an interactive map that allows you to see comparable data for the other 380 U.S. metro areas.

Local leaders are wracking their brains for ways to diversify the economy. Among them is Mike Yoder, a dairy farmer and county commissioner, who is championing a plan to use empty RV factories as fish farms. You'll meet him on Wednesday in a piece looking at how hard it is to change in the midst of an economic crisis.

Elkhart officials are attempting to entice businesses to relocate. At the same time, they're looking for the next big idea. Brian Gildea, Elkhart's economic development director, has a pile of proposals several inches thick on his desk, some of which include rough sketches and barely legible hand-written notes.

Moore said most of those he's looked at came from "people who've got a big hat, but no cattle."

There are some bright spots. In downtown Elkhart, a picturesque stretch of historic brick buildings around a central park and river walk, two new restaurants have opened in the past four months. Work also has begun to turn the old ELCO movie theater into a new performing arts center, scheduled to open in fall 2010.

But the economic cross-currents continue to tug hard at other parts of the community.

Long lines snake out of a branch library on the weekend, as residents without computer access at home line up to file the information that will keep their jobless benefits coming.

Vacancies appear to be the rule rather than the exception in many commercial complexes along Bristol Avenue, a major Elkhart thoroughfare. That's where Elkhart resident Ann Cari has had a furniture showroom since 1992, a business that may soon become the recession's next victim.

And "For Sale" signs and notices of foreclosure are common in some neighborhoods, particularly in the largely African-American and Hispanic areas south of the railroad tracks that bisect the city. (Click here for a map of the city).

Sergio Velasco, a real estate agent and mortgage broker, said many Hispanics have left to look for work elsewhere.
"It's terrible," he said. "People I know who have family and friends, they've already left. … It's going to be a ghost town."

And so, the tug-of-war between optimism and despair continues. In the coming weeks and months, we invite you to follow this important story with us, and to share your own stories from your hometowns. Your questions or comments are welcome below.

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{"commentId":6351712,"authorDomain":"mawiv"}

Why Elkhart? Good question. A little research will reveal that Elkhart is firmly entrenched in not only the suffering automotive industry, but the even more narrowly-focused "luxury" automotive market - and they have been for years. Elkhart's economy has ebbed and flowed for decades - this is nothing new. The community has never evolved from its luxury automotive manufacturing base and anyone who lives there realizes this. As a resident of Indiana, I feel compassion for their situation, but using them as a "case study" and litmus test for all of America seems very skewed. "Why Elkhart?" is a good question - why not focus your resources on a community with a more broad-based economy? Perhaps that would provide better insight regarding trends and possible solutions rather than focusing on a community that has for decades opted to stay the turbulent course of luxury automotive manufacturing.

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Reply#1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
{"commentId":6352836,"authorDomain":"shelbysmustang1967"}

I somewhat agree with you, in that why are we so focused on Elkhart? I too have GREAT compassion for the unemployed who live there but there are communities everywhere that are suffering just as much i.e. Coburg (over 10 or 11% unemployment) and Hines(over 20%) Oregon, Elkhart's sister cities. What about Nappanee or Wakarusa? The list goes on. But I disagree with you because it sounds like you are trying to blame them in a sense because they built luxury autos? I find this disturbing! Those autos were selling AND were selling like hot cakes!! Should we blame them for getting into this mess? Was it their fault they wanted jobs? Most of which were good paying jobs.

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#1.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
{"commentId":6352842,"authorDomain":"glorfam"}

Why not Elkhart?  This is perfect place for "Green Technology" to come in and turn things around.  Plenty of factory space and people who know how to make something, not speculate about something.  I am offended by your reference to the Luxury automobile industry.  Not everyone made Luxury Units, you had to work for the someone like Monaco Coach to produce a $500,000.00 unit.  Why is it Elkhart's fault that people chose to buy Luxury Units? Most of the RV products put on the market were moderately price and allowed families to spend time together without the cost of a hotel etc...  The community did what ever it needed to do to keep jobs, if the product was widgets, or even luxury widgets, at least they had jobs.  What exactly does your town produce? 

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#1.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
{"commentId":6352904,"authorDomain":"cniht"}

They wouldn't want to do that because communities with a broad based economy are generally doing better then people think. It's not roses, but it also is not soup lines and tent cities.

To Kathy above:

The poster is making a statement that areas which tie themselves to one specific industry will have a greater difficulty in the recession. Especially if that industry is one that is severly hurt by the current economic situation. It's the all your eggs in one basket problem. That works fine if your industry is booming. It doesn't work when that industry is failing.

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#1.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:06 AM EDT
{"commentId":6353653,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

There are no auto assembly plants in Elkhart, only parts suppliers, windshields, seat belts, seats, etc., and most of the sub-assemblies for those parts manufacturers come from china or mexico.

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    #1.4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:42 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6354385,"authorDomain":"pastresident"}

    mawiv,

    As a past resident of the area I tend to agree with some of your thoughts.

    The bottom line is that Elkhart needs to be reinvented and other industries need to be introduced to this area. What you call "luxury automotive" I assume means RV's. An industry which is strongly and immediately impacted when discretionary dollars rise and fall. This narrow focus is why they are where they are.

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    #1.5 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6354533,"authorDomain":"chamilton"}

    I completely agree with you. I live in a community that has suffered it's share of economic blows over the years. The end of the cold war closed a SAC base and closed a wonderful airbase facility. We voted some tax payer money to finance redevelopment. Far sighted community leaders developed an industrial development board. At one time most of the plants in our industrial district were mobile home plants, just like Elkhart. Today the closed airbase is a thriving center for aircraft maintenance, a technical college and the home of our largest employer, a defense contractor. We have tripled the size of our industrial district which is now home to multiple distribution centers, manufacturing plants and food manufacturers.

    When you get down to it, Elkhart doesn't make anything that people need especially in a recession, and that fact has been clear to most people living outside Elkhart for 15 years or so.

    The state and federal governments were helpful to us in redevelopment, and I am wholeheartedly behind spending tax dollars in Elkhart. But, another reason we've been successful if that we are in the south and we don't have LABOR UNIONS, we have decent folks who do an honest days work and because our property values aren't sky high, they can live pretty well on a nonunion salary. I am hoping Obama does bankrupt GM and that kills the autoworkers union. How ironic that this will finally happen under Obama.

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    #1.6 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6355572,"authorDomain":"waldmeer"}

    I have suggested to the RVIA that Elkhart and the RV industry need to re=brand itself. There are millions of families in the US who are homeless and more homes being foreclosed by the minute. Elkhart has the workforce and resources to produce low cost alternate housing. To be successful at this, lenders need to recognize that not all RV's are "luxury" items. They need to consider loans for RV's as essential to the housing demand.

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    #1.7 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6356066,"authorDomain":"chj1943"}

    I agree with your view on unions. I am from the southern part of the U.S. and mostly worked in non-union surrondings. What I have seen is non-union workers can perform multiple tasks and vastly cut down on the expense of producing a product. Unions had their place in times past, but not now. When it takes six people to do what one person can do , yes it increases jobs, but also increases cost for that product. The community you speak of sounds like Amarillo Tx. I am originally from that area, and thats what happened there.

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    #1.8 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6356885,"authorDomain":"saguaro-sweetie"}

    These posters are absolutely right about the unions. people want to blame the companies for sending jobs offshore but it is beacuse the costs of making a product have become too high and we deal-loving Americans won't buy it unless it is CHEAP. Then let's also remember all the tough environmental and business regulations (red tape) businesses must endure (which add to the cost of production- hello). no wonder we are in this mess. but hey- obama and the liberals will fix it. no worries. we can all just be on the dole and the US will produce nothing ever again.

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      #1.9 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6358214,"authorDomain":"matt-n99"}

      Later on in the year when you're sucking down your grilled hotdogs, burgers and beers on Labor Day try not to forget why you have that day off. Try also not to forget why you're not mandated to have to work 7 days a week or work 20 hours a day. Right now is the time and place where people in desperate situations make decisions based on short term needs without regard to long term effect. The labor unions are needed now more than ever, to provide and protect the working people. Never fool yourself into believing that corporate greed is incapable of subjugating the American people one more time. Their track record overseas is evidence enough. Claim that efficiency and productivity is greater in a non-union environment, fearing for ones job is also another way of looking at it.

      Those beers and hotdogs, by the way, were likely produced in a union facility by people much like you.

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      #1.10 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6359961,"authorDomain":"knightofireland"}

      no most likely those beers and hot dogs and burgers were put together by illegals.

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      #1.11 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6360024,"authorDomain":"knightofireland"}

      no most likely those beers and hot dogs and burgers were put together by illegals.

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      #1.12 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6361019,"authorDomain":"tasha95"}

      MSNBC chose Elkhart, a nice town. What towns were in the running? I live near Saginaw Michigan, which has been struggling for over 2 years now. Were we even considered? Hopefully the things that work for Elkhart can work for other cities across the US as well. God Bless Elkhart!

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        #1.13 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
        {"commentId":6362123,"authorDomain":"flipzo"}

        Unions serve an important purpose, but they nearly always become corrupt, greedy monsters that end up hurting workers rather than helping them.

        American unions have become emblematic of fat, lazy workers who want to negotiate the "work" out of work.

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          #1.14 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:16 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6362430,"authorDomain":"nolanewbie"}

          Using any single city to show how the econmy is doing as whole is just too norrow minded. The least that should be done is to focus on a area that has a broader economy. 1 city does not tell the whole story. Elkhart may tell some of the story of the auot industry, but if that is what was meant to be the focus here why not use Wayne county, MI.

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          #1.15 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6363950,"authorDomain":"chocolab"}

          Elkhart isn't the only community hurting I agree. I live in Lagrange County next door and our unemployment rate is #2 behind Elkhart because half of the workers in our community worked in Elkhart. I believe this whole unemployment mess started the same time when three of the biggest Rv manufacturers had to testify before congress about the Rvs and manufactured homes that FEMA bought for the hurricane victims. It was around that time when all the manufactured home companys started shutting their doors and then the Rv manufacturers started doing the same thing. I think it is all political! All us hard working people are hurting right now trying to make ends meet. All areas of industry and manufacturing here are seeing bad times right now. And sometimes it is the small town rual communities decision makers that don't want to see growth and developement.

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          #1.16 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 5:50 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6365259,"authorDomain":"sonofcoolpa"}

          Anyone who accuses Elkhart of being a union town is clearly not a local. Some of the old industries that left or shrunk (music instrument industry) were unionized (which may be why they are gone) but I don't know of a single RV factory that was unionized, and neither my parents nor I ever worked in a unionized factory, and none of us have spent time in the RV industry. The RV factories are full of hard charging, hard working people who I would say on average have great disdain for unions. So far as I know the only major union shops I know of are govt (police, teachers, utilities).

          Also, Elkhart has tried to diversify in the past, with nearby Goshen building a cancer center recently, and efforts to attract and retain non-RV companies have been made in earnest. But, think what manufacturers exist in the US today? They are home building and home furnishing related (have (had?) a couple of those), automotive and motor equipment (recent expansions occurred), food (there are a few in the county), and luxury, big ticket items. Elkhart and the region has factories in all those areas. As the stats say, 50% are employed in manufacturing, and half that was in RVs. Thats still relatively large diversification.

          Anyway, the only answer in the near term is move. I got my engineering degree last year and finally got a job 300 miles away a few months ago. Thank God I didn't buy a home. A home is nothing more than handcuffs in a bad economy.

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          #1.17 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:08 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6365805,"authorDomain":"kerkt422"}

          You are so right! I wish we didn't have a house. It's exactly as you described...handcuffs in a bad economy...if we didn't have the house we could move on, but no one wants a house now...one that is going through hard times...needs work, but with a mortgage you just can't go down on the price...you owe too much. Give the average American a bailout....one year without mortgage payments (tack them on at the end) and give us time and room to breathe...give Americans a break...not the corporations...give the help to the people...who really need a break and will actually appreciate it.

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          #1.18 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6365882,"authorDomain":"x90amy"}

          Maybe by focusing on a community that is not economically diverse when changes happen it may acually show what can be done. I don't think that any of the staff at MSNBC meant to slight any other community, I think they are simply trying to follow a story. And if we in Elkhart can pull out of this hopefully ever other community will also! I think wasting time debating who should have been the prized community picked for this does nothing but turn the conversation away from the more urgent questions..... how do we survive financially in the here and now, how do we as a whole nation bring our communities back to life, how do we as a nation become more independent. I personally would love to hear from those who are surviving this, how has your families come together to make it work, how have your friends stood by your side thru this trial, those employers who are still standing what are you doing to keep things going, I want to hear that we are going to be o.k. and that we as a nation have made a decision to stand together, to help one another.

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          #1.19 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:50 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6367202,"authorDomain":"mehartman4"}

          You bring up some valid points about Elkhart's economy. And you're right, many, many other communities are also suffering. Unfortunately, Elkhart is "#1" when it comes to metro areas losing the most jobs, hence the spotlight. I live and teach in Elkhart, and I believe that we have always been a community of entrepreneurs, and hopefully will recover as such. While our economy has been largely focused on the RV industry, we also were the birthplace of Alka-Selzer (and a thriving pharmaceutical industry with Whitehall/Miles/Bayer that eventually was outsourced to Mexico), and the first non-European producers of brass musical instruments. As those two industries faded from prominence, entrepreneurs turned to the RV industry, and the economy recovered. I have faith that we will adjust, and thrive again.

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          #1.20 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:33 PM EDT
          {"commentId":6369387,"authorDomain":"profssmith"}

          My husband was laid off TWICE in the past 6 months from Elkhart manufacturers. However, we live in La Porte - so we do not even "count" in the Elkhart 19.6 figure. He has a degree in chemical engineering and an MBA...and has worked hard to find a job but has not been successful.

          Elkhart is a decent case study, however, this is bigger than Elkhart. So many people are suffering. So many community projects have been halted. Cities and towns accross NW IN have struggled to keep police and fire services in place, and many of the quality of life enhancing services such as parks and rec have been cut.

          Elkhart, yes...but please do not forget about the rest of the NW IN region that is struggling too

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            #1.21 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:16 AM EDT
            {"commentId":6370726,"authorDomain":"bigguncled"}

            You talk about "luxury" automotive market, but that's not the only thing coming out of Elkhart. The temporary housing units that were used for people affected by the hurricanes in Louisiana were made and shipped out of Elkhart. Yeah, the main market that is there is travel trailer industry, but to write it off as being a town that only produces "luxury vehicles' is ridiculous. Elkhart (along with the whole county or Elkhart and surrounding regions) is a manufacturing town and when things need built, Elkhart is one of the first towns that people look at to make it. (By the way, Indiana is one of like 9 states that pays more in federal taxes than it receives in benifits, when states like Indiana aren't doing good, the whole country isn't doing good.)

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            #1.22 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:54 AM EDT
            {"commentId":6377904,"authorDomain":"7heather-davis7"}

            I have been reading all of these posts, many of which by those who don't really know everything that is made in Elkhart. I grew up in this area and the loss of jobs in Elkhart affects the entire area, including St. Joseph county as a good majority of their residents were also employed in Elkhart. RVs are only one part of it, another huge industry there is Manufactured Homes and prefabricated homes. Prefab homes are VERY inexpensive, as are manufactured (mobile) homes. But they aren't selling either. If people are losing their homes in a foreclosure, they won't be able to get a new mortgage for another home. And these homes are not ideal permanent homes for areas such as New Orleans, because they do not hold up during tropical storms/hurricanes (I have lived through 3 major hurricanes while living in Florida for 10 years).

            The government has been giving huge tax credits to businesses who build a new building, versus giving those credits to companies who come in and take over the old factories, which are just sitting there, making it MORE expensive to try to restore what already exists there. The stimulus money needs to make it easier for businesses to re-open and/or reinvent themselves to adapt and perhaps create products that are a little more recession "resistant", to create a consistent profit and job creation. If we don't have jobs, we won't spend money on the things that ANY manufacturers create in our country.

            The government should also SEVERELY tax companies that route our customer service calls to other countries, (India, Phillipines, etc...) and provide HUGE credits for those who keep their operations here. Those empty buildings would make GREAT call centers and if a citizen of a foreign country who barely speaks English can attempt to help me with my phone bill or bank account, then we can definitely utilize our much more intelligent and HARD working residents by training them with new useful skills.

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            #1.23 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
            {"commentId":6541226,"authorDomain":"joshuaecarr"}

            I agree with your consensus; however, that is exactly the reason to show a city like Elkhart. Exposure like this will get them the attention to diversify there industry and workforce. More cities like Elkhart are consumed by one industry than thriving broad-based economies. Seeing the refuge out of this local crisis will inspire other similar cities that are the majority and give insight on how. I believe it will lead the inspirational path to how community involvment and local support can transform an economy from turbulent times. You start looking at Indiana as the model and you see similar situations with South Bend, Anderson, Ft. Wayne, Gary/Hammond, Columbus, Richmond, Evansville, Muncie, Lafayette, etc. and you see small cities with the same struggles just in one state. You can argue our State Government needs to evaluate and change there investment in the people to attract different sectors of business outside manufacturing/industry. However, Indiana workforce is known for there hardwork and dedication. That's why we are the Good Ol' Boys...

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            #1.24 - Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:02 PM EDT
            {"commentId":6774335,"authorDomain":"alphawolf55"}

            i also am from ind. in fact i was born in elkhart and spent the first 17 years of my 54 year old life there. so i disagree this is THE place for this study if you will this is not automotive country it is the R.V. CAPITOL of the world . just a little different. dont you think ,but there is a wole lot more to elkhart than auoto or rv industry rubber companies and manufacturing of all kinds goes on there.at 1 time we boasted more millionaires in elkhart county per capita than any city in the u. s.. so dont limit the great people of elkhart my friend we are way better than that.

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              #1.25 - Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:39 AM EDT
              {"commentId":7403843,"authorDomain":"ashbash-1"}

              it seems like it would make better sense to add one or two other cities that have similar struggling economies, preferably cities that are geographically separated from Elkhart, as a comparison. wouldn't that be the most effective way to run a study. who is your control group? the rest of America? that seems awful broad to me. just wondering........

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                #1.26 - Mon Jun 1, 2009 10:03 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":6352406,"authorDomain":"thegskis"}

                Oh boy. The RV business is a meat and potatoes line for Elkhart? Eek. Things may get alot worse long before they get better.

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                Reply#2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:44 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6352425,"authorDomain":"x90amy"}

                I personally think that using Elkhart as the unfortunate model of whats to come is very on the money. I also live in Elkhart, I lost my job Oct. 3 2009, I have started school in the hope that additional skills will open more doors to me. My daughter (daughter and grandson live with me) also lost her job. It does look like she may be getting her job back BUT only part-time. She works for the Notre Dame Bookstore, so she'll be driving all the way to South Bend for minimum wage...part-time. We live on $339.00 a week with a $498.00 mortage. It has been very clear that what happens in Elkhart shortly thereafter happens around the nation.

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                Reply#3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:45 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6353689,"authorDomain":"mikeyschultheis"}

                Amy - YOU ARE A TRUE AMERICAN! In the midst of trouble...you strive to survive!

                I have started school in the hope that additional skills will open more doors to me.

                This is what Americans do! My prayers and encouragement are with you and your family. Trust that your perseverance will pay off! God Bless America and Americans like Amy!

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                #3.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:44 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6353862,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

                Have you thought about moving? My wife and I lost our Elkhart jobs in June 08 and decided to move.

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                #3.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6354042,"authorDomain":"osco975"}

                I know your pain Elkart, Indiana. I am the only one working to support our family. Myself, my husband and one grandaughter( we are raising). All that on $1,700 a month. Seven hundred dollar mortage and utilities. My husband works as a flooring installation contractor. He's hardly worked in a year and a half. The jobs he used to have ex-cons and illegals are getting them now. The housing slump probably is the biggest problem, but it still does not come close to what our government is doing. Giving money away like it monopoly money.

                American's are some of the hardest working people in the world. We will come back but only under GOOD LEADERSHIP. My county taxes just went up again so see it is just not the federal government that over spends.

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                #3.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6354555,"authorDomain":"mikeyschultheis"}

                HAD IT:

                Do not wait for others to lead you. Become your own leader. If someone is employing illegals, report them. CITIZENS make the biggest change, not the President.

                Let's take back our country and our future. We have more control than we think! Use every situation as an opportunity! Ask yourself, "HOW CAN I MAKE THIS BETTER/RIGHT?"

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                #3.4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:19 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6355290,"authorDomain":"johnnyt2"}

                ms-397461,

                You're obviously way out of the loop on illegals!! What you suggest seems like the way things should be handled....unfortunately it doesn't work that way in the real world! I know a man who was a cook at a restaurant in upstate NY. About 10 years ago they started hiring illegals because they worked cheap and worked hard. After about a year this guy noticed that there were more illegals than not working there. He talked to the owner and was basicly told to mind his own business. He went to the authorities to do just as you suggested....they basicly told to mind his own business. It wasn't long and he was fired to be replaced by another illegal immigrant! He called and wrote his Representitive in the House of Representitives......no response. The lesson is crystal clear....the government and business want the illegals....probably now more than ever because they'll work for starvation wages with no benefits or complaints and that's the best of all worlds for an employer.

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                #3.5 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6356412,"authorDomain":"cheekylilchatter"}

                Larmar:

                How do you move when you have no money and a house that no one would buy even if you tried to sell it? people don't always have options to go elsewhere.

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                #3.6 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6356954,"authorDomain":"jkjudgex"}

                You lost your job in the future?  Just kidding.  I'm sorry about your luck.  I hope you are able to recover.  

                Unfortunately, the policies of government entities that prevent smaller firms from doing work are a move towards keeping money in the hands of a few rich, rather than distributing the work more evenly.

                Look at your state government's purchasing department... Millions upon millions of dollars a spent per year in every state on various projects, but, relatively few organizations are eligible to participate in reaping the funds...  measures are put in place to hinder small businesses and DBAs from obtaining state work... - this needs to stop, because many over-inflated companies become fat by scooping up government work that others are not eligible for, and those CEOs often turn around and buy 17 million dollar homes for their childless family...  rather than 170 families having homes, a single guy gets one house?

                It's not just the government contracts, it's the private sector every bit as bad.  In this age, people will take a job for peanuts, and companies will gladly take advantage of them and still waste money.

                Pretty terrible stuff, but anyway, good luck out there...

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                #3.7 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6359480,"authorDomain":"x90amy"}

                OK lol to all the smart alecks LOL I lost my job 10/3/2008 ...LOL. I had happy fingers they danced all over the keyboard and didn't land where I meant for them to...LOL.

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                  #3.8 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:29 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":6359787,"authorDomain":"mikeyschultheis"}

                  johnnyt-

                  Don't stop there. Contact the media, get a lawyer, contact better business bureau. This is going to be a FIGHT to get things to be the way they are supposed to be.

                  We have to FIGHT for ourselves when the government isn't willing (or competent enough) to do it for us!

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                  #3.9 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:41 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":6383994,"authorDomain":"larmar6058"}

                  indiana resident:

                  We had no choice but to walk away from our house in Goshen. On our block there was only 1 other family left, all of the other homes were vacant. As far as moving, we had family help us with pickup trucks, etc. However you are right, even moving on the cheap is expensive when you have no money.

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                  #3.10 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:49 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":6408371,"authorDomain":"lifeiswide"}

                  Amy, You are correct. Unfortunately, more cities will fall prey to higher unemployment rates this year. If we don't make things here in the US and create a high import tax on anything coming in it will continue to bring down our earning power. We can not maintain good living standards working in service industries. I wish all of Elkhart the best of luck.

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                  #3.11 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 10:23 PM EDT
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                  {"commentId":6352618,"authorDomain":"rubensdwch"}

                  Why didn't the media question our President on Why Elkhart as a backdrop for the spending bill? The RV industry is one that he and others wish would just go away given it's fossil fuel consumption. Could the answer to Why Elkhart be it's a Union Town and it made him look like he cared?

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                  Reply#4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6353822,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

                  When the President's visit was orginaly broadcast they explained the President choose Elkhart because of the high unemployment rate due to the manufacturing base. Further to underscore the loss of jobs to Mexico and China.

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                  #4.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6354200,"authorDomain":"brunker"}

                  And to clarify, Elkhart is hardly a "union town." Most, if not all, of the RV and manufactured housing producers are non-union shops.

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                  #4.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6409240,"authorDomain":"janescoop"}

                  I was down in Florida and saw the locals wearing these wristbands and thought it was such a great idea. I search all over town to get one and they were sold out. I found the website and thought I would pass it on to you. I was also an unemployed statistic and the wristband got me noticed. Also one of the gals that started this, one of the locals told me, she is from Elkhart and her family is still there.

                  I have family that is still unemployed and they are wearing the wristbands and people strike up conversations with them all the time that normally would not. Anything helps. It is bad everywhere but I say a prayer for all of the unemployed. I hope I have helped somewhat. The website is

                  www.laidoffneedajob.com

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                    #4.3 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":6352623,"authorDomain":"samsbodyshop"}

                     I hope things turn around for them !  may God Bless!

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                    Reply#5 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":6352742,"authorDomain":"natural22"}

                    I sympathize with the Elkhart folks as well, yet this is not a "true Bellweather" case study. All it shows is when people have money to spend on RVs, camp trailers, fuel, etc... unemployment is low. In this new day when we will be seeing increased taxation on all fronts, do not expect times in Elkhart to improve anytime soon.

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                    Reply#6 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:59 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":6352846,"authorDomain":"suebehm"}

                    FEMA was the false hope of Elkhart. The supply of trailers for the hurricane vicitims only put a temporary fix on trouble that have been building in the RV industry in that town for many years. Companies there have had to re-invent themselves to try to get away from the unions. And the people who thought the union would protect them from losing their jobs found out the hard way that it doesn't work like that. It is a very sad town and a very sad situation. I hope they can find their way back.

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                      Reply#7 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":6353936,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

                      I lived in Northern Indiana for 24 years and none of the RV plants, that I am aware of, were union. Over all very few unions jobs in Elkhart, County.

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                      #7.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:54 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":6354562,"authorDomain":"carlostoadvine"}

                      RV's are not exactly a green industry, I feel bad for the people there and worse since this seems like nothing more than a photo op and a chance to show the compassion of the really good politicians who don't give a damn about anything but holding power. I am tired of the endless campaign, just do something and shut up!

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                      #7.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:19 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":6867250,"authorDomain":"Taffy64"}

                      We are NOT a SAD town... Thank you!

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                        #7.3 - Sun May 3, 2009 9:14 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":6352857,"authorDomain":"perrytrain-357"}

                        My thoughts and prayers go out to the residents of Elkhart, In. I can see where this town became the target with a huge bullseye on its back. With the economy in the state that it's in, it's no wonder that a relatively small town in the midwest that had too many marbles in one pile, got hit hard because it had a manufacturing base in Motor homes.

                        One thing i know we can all count on, is Elkhart will bounce back! I say this because as a midwesterner myself, I know they have the courage and hard work in their blood to beable to come back strong. The midwest has always been able to withstand many hard times. It is the intestinal fortitude of these down to earth people, that will be the very reason they will reinvent themselves and be that much stronger for it!

                        Best Wishes,

                        Perry G. , SW Missouri

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                        Reply#8 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":6359389,"authorDomain":"dmpasserallo"}

                        Perry, thank you so much for you kind words! I am an Elkhartan, a small business owner that's still hanging on! You're right, we will figure it out. I have watched over the last year many of my precious customers (we repair trucks and trailers of the semi variety) fall to the wayside because of the loss of industry here in Elkhart. All we can do is hang on, help a family we know here with their groceries, give a little to food banks there. We have yet to lay off, have gone real "skinny" with pay, benefits, etc. but it's getting real scary. When you have six dear friends and they all worked at Monaco.......four others at four different companies have each taken cuts in hours and benefits......a brother with an ill wife was laid off in December (1st time in his life) and his unemployment is $12 short a month for his rent and COBRA that he has no choice but to pay for......a Young widow laid off and is in the process of losing her home.......a man and wife, more dear friends, laid off and living with other friends now.......and these are people we know and love. Sometimes I could cry with the frustration - there aren't a lot of options here in Elkhart right now. I believe we will get through it - by our own design, not from anything government says it will do.

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                        #8.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:25 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":6364227,"authorDomain":"inkandthread"}

                        It sounds like you are doing what you can, that's what will ease each others misery, people helping people. The Government doesn't have the answers, good, honest hands and minds at work will. I wouldn't know about that cobra if it's for health problems already in the mix. but i do know it's too high for anyones budget. we have found reasonable insurance by searcing on the web. My husband looks for the best for less, and he usually finds it....God be with you all.

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                          #8.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":6524868,"authorDomain":"juju011"}

                          Yes Perry, Thank you. Elkhart is a strong community. WE didn't have all of our marbles in one bag, our county did. Our people have always done what they have been asked to do with out complaint. We in a wasy have been the backbone of the country. We house, feed and educate. I just wish the people we've helped would start helping back!

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                            #8.3 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":6352885,"authorDomain":"ps-attys2"}

                            People will leave the area even if they and their families have long time histories. The big cities offer some hope because of their hotel and restaurant industries, large diverse populations and industries to support their populations. I think the small town is doomed. Patricia

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                            Reply#9 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:06 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":6355741,"authorDomain":"stevegreene15"}

                            Coming from an individual who has lived in various parts of the country, and currently resides in Elkhart, I do NOT believe that the "small town is doomed." After having grown up in Elkhart, I moved after college and lived in both North Carolina and Texas, only to return to my hometown a little over a year ago.

                            My family and I do have longtime history in this city, and I'm proud to say that we are not going anywhere. Most of my relatives have worked in some way related to the RV industry, and many still do. We have a family business that works directly with trailer manufacturers and we are celebrating our 22nd year in business.

                            Are times tough for the company? Certainly. Have layoffs affected my friends and family? In many ways. Will Elkhart come out of this thing alive? You better believe it.

                            Not long ago, Elkhart was being praised as one of the "best small cities to live in" and I do believe that many of the facets that made that true still exist today. My hope is that our people do not abandon their city, but rather rally together and rebuild this community.

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                            #9.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:08 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":6358406,"authorDomain":"mjbarhams"}

                            Amen Steve!

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                            #9.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":6363757,"authorDomain":"steventangel"}
                            steve-1015634Deleted
                            {"commentId":6867272,"authorDomain":"Taffy64"}

                            My family has a long history, I am NOT leaving!!! There is NO WAY that I would trade Elkhart for any big city!

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                              #9.4 - Sun May 3, 2009 9:16 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":6352913,"authorDomain":"padre4u"}

                              I came from Wales in 1984 for a job in Elkhart, IN. I had to look on the map where Indiana was let alone Elkhart. When my wife and three children arrived at O'Hare we were met by several people who had come to pick us up in a huge RV. Over the next couple of years I got to know the people of Elkhart, their spirit and their generosity. At that time it was thriving with Miles labs, and the musical instrument industry as well as the RV industry going strong. Now living in Virginia I had cause to visit the area just last month and was saddened to see the empty RV lots, the general "run-down" look of the area along with a sort of fatalism that reflected little hope. I pray that the rest of the nation does not end up like Elkhart before things get better!

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                              Reply#10 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:07 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":6355486,"authorDomain":"ncedar6"}

                              I also moved from Indiana to northern Virginia, because there were no teaching jobs in the area. The economy has been marginal there for years.

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                                #10.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:58 AM EDT
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                                {"commentId":6352935,"authorDomain":"1Frank1"}

                                As a 50 year resident of Elkhart, let me expand that in addition to the band instrument and RV business, Elkhart has many Manufactured Housing factories here (factory built homes). A good portion of these home manufactures have their corporate and home plants here locally, and branches throught the country. So the national housing downturn also has had a big effect on the area's downturn.

                                I applaud this project. I agree that during other national recessions this area seems to lead the resession and, more importantly, lead the recovery.

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                                Reply#11 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":6353100,"authorDomain":"yohnke"}

                                Why not Toledo Ohio. The president stopped there as well and that city is doing more to pushout new business and drive the city into bankrupcy than any in the states. To include laying off or retiring 75 police officers and more fire fighters.

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                                Reply#12 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":6353984,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

                                Joe the Plumber, need I say more?

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                                  #12.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
                                  {"commentId":7920494,"authorDomain":"nukstick"}

                                  Excellent point!

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                                    #12.2 - Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
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                                    {"commentId":6353107,"authorDomain":"jjp1168"}

                                    I hate to see anything at all like what is happening to Elkhart. I am trying to do something to turn around the economy, yet I am not getting any help from the 2 agencies which are supposed to be helping Renewable Energy companies, the Department of Energy (DOE) and the US Department of Agriculture (USDA).

                                    Both of these departments have funding for Renewable Energy, yet it is almost impossible to get any funding from them. I have been communicating with the DOE for almost 2 years not & I am still getting the run-around.

                                    I heard that a startup company in solar energy received a $535 million loan last week from the DOE and I want to create more jobs than they do, yet DOE is not assisting me. It could be the fact I do not have a lobbyist to help me with this even though President Obama said he would be doing away with this kind of business.

                                    I am not seeing this from where I am in trying to get funding!

                                    The USDA told me I would have to find a bank willing to provide a USDA guaranteed Business & Industry (B&I) loan. The first bank I found willing to loan the funds, the USDA refused to work with and I lost out on the loan. I have found a 2nd bank will to provide this kind of loan & I wonder if the USDA is going to work with them!

                                    The USDA also has billions of dollars in grants available for Renewable Energy, but you have to pay thousands of dollars up front to a "special grant writer" (can you say lobbyist) to be able to apply for a grant with no guarantee you will even get the grant. This is one of the reasons that less jobs are being made as more money has to be spent to pay to get a grant or a contract. When is this lobbying business going to end?

                                    The biodiesel being made currently has already been tested in most diesel trucks and can be used as a replacement for fossil fuel diesel. The only thing is the fuel filters and fuel systems need to be modified. President Obama announced last week he is providing an additional $1.2 billion for Research & Development in Renewable Fuels, however most of this is in tax credits for existing companies with the real funds going to colleges and universities. This will not be creating any new jobs for America's work force!

                                    Lastly, I believe we have "gotten the cart before the horse." President Obama is bailing out the Auto Industry, the Banks, and Wall Street instead of providing the jobs needed for Main Street! If the 4 million jobs were created, then it might be easier to fix the other problems. Also, with more than 13 million people out of work, I do not believe that 4 million jobs will be enough.

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                                      Reply#13 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT
                                      {"commentId":6353707,"authorDomain":"shelbysmustang1967"}

                                      I too live a small community. The county judge and economic development team has work really hard at bringing in a few different kinds of "green energy" but it seems to be the animal rights activists who stop it. Such as when we tried to get geothermal energy, "what about the microscopic organisms living there?" or the one I REALLY like is... The wind turbines, that would kill a lot birds and/or interfere with their migration. You know, the birds are killed when they "smack into the turbines". An official quote from one activist. Okay really I love animals to BUT seriously????? What kind of idiot animal runs into an spinning object? I agree with you James, our cart IS now BEFORE the horse!! Apartly our fed. government doesn't realize this!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

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                                        #13.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:44 AM EDT
                                        {"commentId":6354760,"authorDomain":"carrabellefl"}

                                        Before the government got into the banking business, money was raised by selling shares in a business venture (can you say C corporation). Just take a minute to examine all the taxes levied on a C corporation and the shareowners and you will quickly realize why smart money does not come for good ideas and why "our" jobs are moving to other countries where the concern is for workers employed rather than milking the rich.

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                                          #13.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":6353142,"authorDomain":"sararh56"}

                                          It's not the city of Elkhart it is Elhart County" RV Capitol of the World" Goshen ,Middlebury,Bristol are really hit hard areas as well.

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                                            Reply#14 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":6353155,"authorDomain":"mjbarhams"}

                                            I am graduate of Elkhart Central High School (Class of 2002) who received her BS in Biology from Ball State University and will complete her Masters in Health Services Administration from George Washington University in 2010. I would love to come back to my hometown to work and live but the economic climate is so bleak for new college grads who are under a mountain of student loan debt. I agree that Elkhart needs to tap into a new market in order to be successful but more than just money needs to be thrown at the town. Workers are resilent and motivated to learn, I think that providing education (retraining of skilled workers) is the best investment.

                                            I would challenge anyone who doesnt think that Elkhart is a good case study for MSNBC. Our city is willing to weather through these rough times and prove that when the community works together that there's nothing that can stop us from improving our conditions. Lessons learned here will be transferrable as we are very diverse which speaks to the US's changing population. (My high school was about 1/3 of each major nationality.)

                                            Thank you MSNBC for putting a spotlight on our town. I hope that through reporting we will be able to emerge as the model Midwestern town.

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                                            Reply#15 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":6356091,"authorDomain":"good28"}

                                            I have some observations as a long time resident of Elkhart; We deserve what has happened to us economically; That is to say it all happened because of a lack of focus on the part of our corrupt political leaders in not diversifying our manufacturing base when the opportunity existed to do so. Additionally, Elkhart did nothing about the illegal residents who took jobs at reduced pay scales and now that the work has left so have they. Additionally, we have a mayor who can only call attention to himself by arranging national press oportunities. We do not need to continue the mismanagement of the community by elected officials, ie the mayor has publically stated that he will not lay off any public employees and has not done so eventhough our real unemployment rate in the private sector which supports all of those at the public trough, is well above the published 18%. That said, it should be known that for the past several years the city can not, or will not, get the property tax bills sent out and as a consequence we are asked to "estimate" the amount. The stimulus money slated for Elkhart is not going to create jobs, it is instead being used to re-surface the airport runway which is only used by a few private planes, and to move an bandshell (one of the mayor's pet projects) to our esteemed "River Walk". It seems that any financial assistance provided to our city will be used to perpetuate the inefficencies and corruption that are curently in place. There are many things that could have been done with that money to create jobs, and I have suggested a few which other equally sized cities have used and found successful, but because such enterprises would not benefit those in political power, nothing has or will become of them. Do not feel too sorry for Elkhart, we deserve most of what has happened to use because of a massive void in responsibilty on the part of our elected officials. However, that said, it should be known that Elkhart has in fact distinguished itself in several areas and ways; the City is number 2 in the State in terms of Meth sales and production, even our teachers are manufacturing and selling; We have one of the worst school systems in the State according to ISTEP scores; We have one the highest unemployment rates in the country because of that void referred to earlier; We have the worst roads and streets in the county eventhough our mayor was on the street department before being elected; We have lost the majority of our employment base because of lack of forsight on the part of our political leaders; and the list of reasons why Elkhart is exceptional goes on and on. All of that said we as citizens can take pride in the fact that we have a RIVER WALK which truly sets Elkhart apart.

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                                              #15.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:22 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6437789,"authorDomain":"sue-3"}

                                              I know it's a whole different situation, demography, etc. but remember Greensburg, Kansas that literally got wiped off the face of the earth by a tornado a few years ago" They have almost completely rebuilt the town from the ground up with a combination of backing from many sources and a lot of hard work by the majority of people who didn't want to lose their community, and I mean that as opposed to the physical town. A lot of innovation went into that project and continues. We can learn from the spirit of that town as well as the example Elkhart shows us in the future. That is 9/10ths of the battle, I believe, the sheer will to survive by whatever means available and come out better at the other end. My heart goes out to Elkhart. They are not the only city in this country that MSNBC could have focused on by any means, as so many here have pointed out, but you all can show us the way on a LOT of levels. I am in an area that is doing fairly "well", though we have seen our share of damage, too. When it is you being effected, the stats for the rest of the area don't matter much. God bless and hang onto you community! You'll be OK in the long run, I have every faith, just from reading some of the posters from Elkhart and the area! We will be looking to you.

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                                                #15.2 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:40 PM EDT
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                                                {"commentId":6353168,"authorDomain":"davidmac1556"}

                                                Elkhart IN was chosen to "prove" how HORRIBLE the Great Depression II is, so as to convince the American people that we need to relinquish our money and freedom to the Obama regime.

                                                Come down to Houston TX and see NO recession, NO Great Depression II, freeways and malls crowded (as usual!) and all the people here (except for a small minority) are getting more and more disgusted with Obama's socialist plans.

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                                                Reply#16 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:19 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6353882,"authorDomain":"ckinnard0312-1"}

                                                I think that is great where home surrounds are doing so great! I think your situation there is Texas is one of the few that are doing so well. I hope you don't mind when people of these cities that are not doing as well come and work in your towns. I hope you welcome them with open arms because they will need it since they are having to leave their friends and family to find work to stay afloat.

                                                I agree Elkhart has had too many eggs in one basket but there have been many areas that have left this town because it is cheaper to do overseas. What the American people need to do is get back to buying American made and worry about our country first.

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                                                #16.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6354469,"authorDomain":"jhoosier"}

                                                Elkhart was not choosen as a symbol of the "great depression-part 2"...and the idea that we need to relinquish our money and freedom to Obama is far from the truth as least from a resident's perspective. Having lived in Elkhart for over 20 yrs. I have seen the best and worst of this city/area over the years. This area is made up of hard working, dedicated people that want to work. Last summer when gas prices soared the RV industry took a major hit, the housing crisis caused the same problem in the manufactured home industry, and the auto industry also affected this area as well because parts and components for the auto industry are manufactured here as well. So we were hit from all sides. We have recovered from rough economic times before, I imagine we will emerge from this too in time. To say this area is surrendering to a socialist agenda couldn't be further from the truth. Many in this area that did vote for Obama did so because he promised change, people believed he meant it. I don't think what is happening now was what they thought he meant by change, people here are angry and upset...just like many throughout the country.

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                                                #16.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:16 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6354765,"authorDomain":"mikeyschultheis"}

                                                I buy American products that are better and cheaper. Patriotic buying is not the answer. American companies need to see bensfits of manufacturing here. People in other countries work for far less because they need to to put food on their table. In America, we have unions that jack up the retail prices because of demands from employees. We need to get off of our high-horse when it comes to wages and benefits.

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                                                #16.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6355195,"authorDomain":"larry-8260"}

                                                On vacation last summer, we came through Houston. I must admit it is a beautiful city. I also noticed a lot of big 4-wheel drive pickups, surbans, etc. and a lot of those vehicles were pulling RV's made in Elkhart county, Indiana.

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                                                #16.4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6356134,"authorDomain":"krista-b1223"}

                                                As I have family up in Elkhart and live in TX. I know that there is a large gap in the effects of this recession. This is not a way to "convince the American people that we need to relinquish our money and freedom to the Obama regime." We are living in a recession wheter you want to admit it or not. Just as some people are not hurting at all, others (even in TX) are being hit hard by the times.

                                                I am working as a temp and don't know if I'll get hired on while my husband is waiting to find out if he will be hired on through his externship with school. Not everyone in TX is seeing that there is no recession as you say. Have you ever thought that the malls are crowded just because they are close and you don't HAVE to spend anything to be in there? When times are hard, people do alot more Window Shopping. Check the statistics, check the local listings of foreclosures, check your local food banks and how depleted their stock is. Don't go preaching just because you are not personally feeling the effects of this. I pray that you escape the effects of this recession, but don't go saying that it's not real because it is. Try living on the other end of it before you go spouting off. I know I for one and several people I know are feeling this. YOU try living paycheck to paycheck and not seeing an end in sight!!!! YOU try living in a hotel because it ends up being cheaper than an apartment and you are not yet desparate enough to live in your car with your child and spouse!!!! YOU open your eyes and see that it's not all about you, but all about how we are going to pull the ENTIRE COUNTRY out of the recession and get us at least a little closer to being the stable economy we once were.

                                                Good for the writers of this article and those that brought it about. I know the hard working people of Elhart county are strong and will rebound. More people in the world should be like the ones in Northern IN. They are tough, hard working, and proud. If you don't like the way things are being run in this country, you have the freedom to get the hell out!! Please partake in that freedom whenever you like.

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                                                #16.5 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6357323,"authorDomain":"jerzyboy349"}

                                                Hoosier: I don't get it. Why would anyone believe Obama? Why did Indiana vote for Obama? He had no experience at managing or running anything--not a business, not even Wasilla, Alaska. He had an academic and legislative resume that doesn't translate into leadership or into the experience that is needed right now. Those who voted for Obama were suckers, especially in places like Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and NC. Plain and simple. Suckers.

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                                                  #16.6 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":6357672,"authorDomain":"ppete127"}

                                                  I beg to differ regarding Texas. Right now, Texas may have lucked out in terms of this current recession, but I did consulting work in the oil dependent areas in the 90's and it was really, really bad. Literally, Midland Odessa Tx was getting to be a ghost town. In the early 80's Houston went thru oil and real estate bust and a good friend lost her home. So lets' not get carried away with whether Texan's have it right. You may be just lucky this time.

                                                  Listen folks, BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO EVEN THE SMARTEST PEOPLE. Blaming this on other's stupidity is a way of trying to calm your own fears that you're untouchable in this environment. No so! None of us will get thru life without these challenges except for a very fortunate few. Have a little compassion and give some of the steps that are being taken a chance to work. Sorry Texans - love you guys but I had to correct Larmar regarding his view...

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                                                  #16.7 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":6361074,"authorDomain":"rstoute"}

                                                  I live in Houston, TX as well. Yes, we are still ahead of the curve, but many of my friends that have high-paying jobs (especially in the arena of Law) have either already been laid off or are on notice. That's a bellweather for sure.

                                                  We are fortunate to have such a large share of the healthcare and oil/gas industry. As such, people are moving here at a rapid pace. Some projections have Houston taking over Chicago in population within five years.

                                                  I just hope we stay ahead of the curve.

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                                                    #16.8 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:34 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6867302,"authorDomain":"Taffy64"}

                                                    Amen, David! Obama is a VERY scary man with a lot of power!

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                                                      #16.9 - Sun May 3, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
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                                                      {"commentId":6353203,"authorDomain":"adamsmaf"}

                                                      Things will get better, we all know how we are suppose to live and we will get through this together, We have no other choice.

                                                      God Bless All of us.................

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                                                        Reply#17 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":6353228,"authorDomain":"smortimore"}

                                                        I think Elkhart is the perfect place for this project, I grew up in Mishawaka, IN. and worked as a teenager in Elkhart before joining the Navy. I left in 1976, and I remember booms and bad times throughout my time away, I was recently in town for my fathers funeral and during that time saw how so many of my friends have struggled because of the economy in that region, not just Elkhart, dont forget, Mishawaka, Goshen, South Bend, Oseola all have families that depended on the RV industry and the electronics, now with Hummer going away thats another jab to that area, I only hope for the best in my old hometown. I know the people there are resilient and will bounce back from this, they are hard workers and determined to make it a better place and they will!!

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                                                        Reply#18 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":6353257,"authorDomain":"mhswan"}

                                                        Hoosiers are resiliant, however w/ future cafe standards I ask what will pull these R.V.'s a $40,000 electric hybrid? But to save face Obama's people should have a vested interest in the City of Elkhart, In. If the nations eyes are on your rebounding success(failure), this will gauge this admistrations pass-fail rating......good luck to all, and God Bless!!!

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                                                          Reply#19 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":6353393,"authorDomain":"yeandels"}

                                                          Great people in Elkhart but the RV industry there has been heading down a slippery slope for many years. The city is just another portion of the RUST BELT that needs to reinvent itself and not depend on one industry for its livelihood. I wish them all well. Obama promised "green jobs" to every town he visited - this is probably their only hope.

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                                                            Reply#20 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":6353414,"authorDomain":"cchinn25"}

                                                            Southern Ohio and the Ohio valley has been a Ghost town for years,it never did recover after the steel mill shut down.So now everyone is on welfare.

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                                                              Reply#21 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:30 AM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":6353442,"authorDomain":"robertcoen"}

                                                              Having lived in Elkhart for several years and having had a daughter born there, I read with sadness and heavy heart about the serious challenges being faced. But, I also know, that the community is resilient and will survive in spite of any political ad campaigns and sound bites. May God Bless the journey back to prosperity.

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                                                                Reply#22 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:32 AM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":6353566,"authorDomain":"solarsister"}

                                                                I used to live in Elkhart for many years, and it seems to me that with it's manufacturing background that solar panel manufacturing or other green energy manufacturing would suit the work ethic and skill set of this community really well!

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                                                                  Reply#23 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:38 AM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6353619,"authorDomain":"bpackard-1"}

                                                                  You need to study a little history on this town in the middle of knowhere.  After WWII, the Elkhart Chamber of Commerce got the city council to purchase huge quantities of TCE, an industrial solvent that is used in  metal fabrication.  The musical instument and RV businesses came to Elkhart because the city subsidized the TCE purchases (milllions of gallons).  Any business that used quantities of TCE could prosper in Elkhart.  We now know that TCE is a horrible water pollutant, which explains the Elkhart Main Street Wellfield Superfund site.  If they want to recover, they need to do a similar, local job stimulus plan.

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                                                                    Reply#24 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:40 AM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":6353730,"authorDomain":"kenneth-nuti"}

                                                                    Our best wishes and high hopes go to the good folks in Elkhart and the surrounding region.

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                                                                      Reply#25 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:46 AM EDT
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